The universal salvation of Christ and the sinner’s death

QUESTION

Posted by ben on July 5, 2011 at 3:21 pm

QMSJr,

Are u a Catholic? If u are, is Jeremiah Book also included in ur Bible? If yes, we know u believe that Jesus died for our sin, but, can u explain this verse, Jeremiah 31:29-31, w/c says that ‘everyone must die for their own sin’??

One more, u said “Mohammed never talked with Moses and Elijah.” (August 30, 2010, in this thread), well well . . . didn’t u know that Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) once lead a prayer with the previous prophets behind him (pbuh)? Wew! Careful with ur words buddy.

RESPONSE

Posted by Quirino M. Sugon Jr on July 5, 2011 at 8:53 pm

Ben,

Thanks for the correction. I don’t read the Quran. I won’t argue with you on the Quran. Let just talk about the Bible.

If you were thrown overboard on a ship and you do not know how to swim, you shall surely sink and die. Now, in case somebody throws you a rope to pull you out of the water, you can only be saved if you hold on to the rope. But if you still do not hold on to the rope, you shall surely sink and die.

The salvation offered by Christ through his death is the rope of salvation. Those who cling to Christ and believe shall be saved. Those who refuses to cling to Christ shall die on their own sins and suffer the fires of hell.

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Talk on Islam at Ateneo de Manila University: US Muslims after 9-11, Muslim without Shariah, and translation of Quran

(Monkshobbit’s Note: Too bad I missed this talk.)

The Introduction to Islam class of the Interdisciplinary Studies
program has the following events that might interest faculty members
and students outside of this class. Please come along.

Feb 17 (Thur): Being a Muslim in the United States especially after 9/11
Escaler Hall
10.30 AM

*Can a Muslim in the United States be a good Muslim without following
the Sharia’h?given that the U.S. is a pluralist society.

*Some Muslims scholars insist that the Qur’an should not be translated to other language since Allah revealed it in Arabic. How come your movement are forerunners of translating the Qur’an in different languages?

Resource Persons:

1) Fazeel S. Khan, Esq. (B.A., LL.B., LL.M.) is a Lawyer by
profession?in the United States. He obtained his AB degree from Simon Fraser University in Burnaby, British Columbia, majoring in criminology and minoring in psychology. He obtained his law degree from the University of Windsor in Windsor, Ontario. He also obtained a Masters in Laws degree from Case Western Reserve University in Cleveland, Ohio. Aside from his keen interest in the law, Mr. Khan has a passion for comparative religious studies and is an active participant in various inter-faith programs.

2) Noman Malik M.D. Associate Pathologist (retd.) Mount Carmel Medical Center, Columbus Ohio, USA. Board Certified in Anatomic and Clinical Pathology. Fellow of the American College Pathology, and Assistant Clinical Professor Ohio State University Columbus, Ohio

February 22 (Tues). Film Showing.
?Young Muslim Filipinos?Courtship, Being a Muslim-Filipino,etc.?
Produced by graduating seniors of the Communications Dept.
Venue: FAURA AVR.
10.30 to 12 noon

Theological Hour at the Loyola School of Theology: “Peace and Tolerance in the Holy Quran: an Effective Answer to Terrorism and Militancy” by Dr. Norman I. Malik

To Whom It May Concern:

Good day!

There will be a Theological Hour on Wednesday, February 17, 2010, from 10:15am to 12nn at the Loyola School of Theology. Again, we are requesting your assistance in disseminating the information.

Below is the actual texts of the cover letter / invitation for your persual.  I can send the poster image (in JPG or PDF) if you so desire.

Thank you very much and a blessed day!

Angelus Llanos, SSP
Information Officer


Theological Hour Committee
Loyola School of Theology
Ateneo de Manila University
Loyola Heights, Quezon City
1108 Philippines

lstadmin@admu.edu.ph
lst@admu.edu.ph

PO Box 240
UP Diliman Quezon City
Tel. #: (632) 426-6430 to 35

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11 February 2010

To the Superiors of Religious and Academic Communities, Students, and
Friends:

Praised be Jesus Christ!

This is to inform you that on Wednesday, February 17, 2010, the Loyola School of Theology will be having its second to the last Theological Hour for the school year. Entitled “Peace and Tolerance in the Holy Quran: An Effective Answer to Terrorism and Militancy.”  This lecture shall be delivered by Dr. Norman I. Malik, a physician engaged in the practice of Pathology in the United States, who has a keen interest in Islam and Comparative Religion, and is especially interested in promoting interfaith understanding.  He serves on the Board of Directors of the Lahore Ahmadiyya Islamic Society USA. He travels widely, and has lectured on Islam
in the United States and abroad in diverse places, such as Russia, Marmara University, Turkey, Pakistan, Nigeria, Australia, South Africa and the Philippines. Dr. Malik is the grandson of Maulana Muhammad Ali, the famous Islamic Scholar and translator of the Holy Quran into English.

We would like to invite you to join us in this exciting lecture which will be held from 10:15am to 12:00nn at the Cardinal Sin Center of the Loyola School of Theology, Ateneo de Manila University campys, Loyola Heights, Quezon City.

Admission is free and is open to the public so guests are highly encouraged to bring friends and colleagues.

More details on the following page.

Thank you very much and hoping for your generous participation.

In Christ Jesus,

(Sgd.) Archieleneus Carmelius Angelus T. Llanos, SSP
Information Officer – Theological Hour Committee
Loyola School of Theology
Ateneo de Manila University
Loyola Heights, Quezon City

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The Loyola School of Theology
Theological Hour Committee
presents

Peace and Tolerance in the Holy Quran: 
An Effective Answer to Terrorism and
Militancy

with Dr. Norman I. Malik

Pathologist, board-certified in Anatomic and Clinical Pathology

Fellow of the American College of Pathologists
Member, Board of Directors of the Lahore Ahmadiyya Islamic Society USA

February 17, 2009 (Wednesday), from 10:15am to 12:00nn
at the Cardinal Sin Center, Loyola School of Theology, Ateneo de Manila
University

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Noman I. Malik M.D.  is a physician engaged in the practice of Pathology in the United States. He obtained his medical degree from King Edward Medical College, Pakistan, and completed his internship and residency training in Pathology at the Bridgeport General Hospital and the Universities of Cincinnati and Ohio State University. He is board certified in Anatomic and
Clinical Pathology, and is a Fellow of the American College of Pathologists. He has served as Chairman of the Medical Advisory Board of the Central Ohio Red Cross. Dr. Malik is the grandson of Maulana Muhammad Ali, the famous Islamic Scholar and translator of the Holy Quran into English. He has a keen interest in Islam and comparative Religion, and is especially interested in
promoting interfaith understanding.  He serves on the Board of Directors of the Lahore Ahmadiyya Islamic Society USA. He travels widely, and has lectured on Islam in the United States and abroad in diverse places, such as Russia, Marmara University, Turkey, Pakistan, Nigeria, Australia, South Africa and the Philippines.

Monk’s Hobbit: I hope Cenon Bibe can make it to this talk.  He is the only Filipino Catholic Apologist who has studied Islam in depth.  He has answered questions from Muslims in his blog, Tumbukin Natin.

Philippine Flag for Christians and Muslims: Add Our Lady of Fatima on top of a crescent moon

In the Letters section of the Philippine Star, a Muslim proposed to add a crescent moon on the Philippine flag (see picture here):

Since the avowed purpose for the modification of the flag is to give recognition to the Muslims of Mindanao, I suggest that we add a green CRESCENT instead to one of the stars (see proposed design above) in which manner the recognition intended them can be said to be clear, distinct, apparent and can be readily pointed to even by any grade school pupil and not to be lost within one of those rays that most people never care to count at all. More importantly, it hails them not just as mere freedom fighters but as Muslims. — DATU RUBEN S. BUAN SR., Datu Lukes of Maguindanao Sultanate, 102 Quezon Avenue, Poblacion 1, Cotabato City

I am sure many Christians like me would object to this.  If we add a CRESCENT, we must also add a CROSS, but not to place them side by side, overlapping each other, to form the hammer and sickle of the Communist Russia.  And since about 90% of Filipinos are Christians, the cross should be at least nine times bigger than the crescent moon.

But I am sure Muslims would object to the cross.  So why not choose a symbol dear to Christians and Muslims alike: Mary.  Mary is the Mother of Christ and Mary is also found in the Quran as Miriam.  Muslims revere Mary more than Fatima, the daughter of Muhammad.  As Archbishop Fulton Sheen wrote in his book, Mary and the Muslims:

Mary is for the Moslems the true Sayyida, or Lady. The only possible serious rival to her in their creed would be Fatima, the daughter of Mohammed himself. But after the death of Fatima, Mohammed wrote: “Thou shalt be the most blessed of all the women in Paradise, after Mary.” In a variant of the text, Fatima is made to say: “I surpass all the women, except Mary.”

This brings us to our second point, namely, why the Blessed Mother, in this twentieth century, should have revealed herself in the insignificant little village of Fatima, so that to all future generations she would be known as “Our Lady of Fatima.” Since nothing ever happens out of heaven except with a finesse of all details, I believe that the Blessed Virgin chose to be known as “Our Lady of Fatima” as a pledge and a sign of hope to the Moslem people, and as an assurance that they, who show her so much respect, will one day accept her Divine Son, too.

Evidence to support these views is found in the historical fact that the Moslems occupied Portugal for centuries. At the time when they were finally driven out, the last Moslem chief had a beautiful daughter by the name of Fatima. A Catholic boy fell in love with her, and for him she not only stayed behind when the Moslems left, but even embraced the faith. The young husband was so much in love with her that he changed the name of the town where he lived to Fatima. Thus, the very place where Our Lady appeared in 1917 bears a historical connection to Fatima, the daughter of Mohammed.

The final evidence of the relationship of Fatima to the Moslems is the enthusiastic reception which the Moslems in Africa and India and elsewhere gave to the Pilgrim statue of Our Lady of Fatima, as mentioned earlier. Moslems attended the Church services in honor of Our Lady; they allowed religious processions and even prayers before their mosques; and in Mozambique the Moslems, who were unconverted, began to be Christian as soon as the statue of Our Lady of Fatima was erected.

Because Muslims honor Our Lady of Fatima so much, it is fitting that our Lady should stand on top of the crescent moon as in the icon of Our Lady of Guadalupe or of the Immaculate Concepcion, which the Muslims also believe:

The Koran, which is the Bible of the Moslems, has many passages concerning the Blessed Virgin. First of all, the Koran believes in her Immaculate Conception and, also, in her Virgin Birth. The third chapter of the Koran places the history of Mary’s family in a genealogy which goes back through Abraham, Noah, and Adam. When one compares the Koran’s description of the birth of Mary with the apocryphal Gospel of the birth of Mary, one is tempted to believe that Mohammed very much depended upon the latter. Both books describe the old age and the definite sterility of the mother of Mary. When, however, she conceives, the mother of Mary is made to say in the Koran: “O Lord, I vow and I consecrate to you what is already within me. Accept it from me.”

When Mary is born, the mother says: “And I consecrate her with all of her posterity under thy protection, O Lord against Satan!”

The Koran passes over Joseph in the life of Mary, but the Moslem tradition knows his name and has some familiarity with him. In this tradition, Joseph is made to speak to Mary, who is a virgin. As he inquired how she conceived Jesus without a father, Mary answered: “Do you not know that God, when He created the wheat had no need of seed, and that God by His Power made the trees grow without the help of rain? All that God had to do was to say. ‘So be it, and it was done.'”

The Koran has also verses on the Annunciation, Visitation, and Nativity. Angels are pictured as accompanying the Blessed Mother and saying: “Oh, Mary, God has chosen you and purified you, and elected you above all the women of the earth.” In the nineteenth chapter of the Koran there are forty-one verses on Jesus and Mary. There is such a strong defense of the virginity of Mary here that the Koran, in the fourth book, attributes the condemnation of the Jews to their monstrous calumny against the Virgin Mary. (Bishop Fulton Sheen, Mary and the Moslems)

Our Protestant brothers may object to Mary.  But they can think of her simply as a Woman on top of a Crescent Moon described in the Book of Revelation (for Protestants will never believe unless it is in the Bible):

A great sign appeared in the sky, a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars. (Rev 12:1)

How about the members of Iglesia ni Cristo and of the Masons?  The Philippine flag already contains the triangle, the stars, and the sun, which are their common symbols (see comparison of INC and Masonic logos).

I think this proposal of adding our Lady of Fatima on top of the crescent would be acceptable to all Faiths: Catholics, Protestants, Muslims, and Masons.  If we remove Our Lady, we must also remove the Crescent, and many would be happy with our flag as it is.

Khalid Ibraheem Mabute of the Balik Islam Movement debates with Catholic Apologist Cenon Bibe, Jr. on 25 April 2009: “Is the Christian Bible more credible than the Q’ran?”

Khalid Ibraheem Mabute of the Balik Islam Movement has challenged the esteemed Catholic Apologist Cenon Bibe, Jr. to a public debate on the “credibility” of the Christian Bible as compared the Q’ran. It will be held on the 25th of April 2009 at 10 o’clock in the morning at the Quezon Hall of U.P. Diliman. May we request you to please pray for this exercise, and if possible, attend this rare event.

Source: Despues Bear

Cenon Bibe, Jr.’s two blogs are Tumbukin Natin and Sagot sa Balik Islam.  I can’t find the blog of Khalid Ibraheem Mabute.

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I’ll do my best to be there this Saturday.  I have read the bible but not the Q’ran.  All I know is that in the message of the Mary to Fr. Stefano Gobbi in the Marian Movement of Priests, She described Islam as the first 666:

The number of the beast. 666, represents in the first place the year ‘six hundred and sixty-six. In this period of history the antichrist was manifested through the phenomenon of Islam, which directly denies the mystery of the divine Trinity and the divinity of Our Lord Jesus Christ. Islamism with its military force broke loose everywhere, destroying all the ancient Christian communities of Asia Minor and beyond, in the latter half of the seventh century. The ancient Roman and Christian communities in the near east were engulfed in the deluge that followed, and disappeared almost completely. (Marian Movement of Priests, 17 June 1989) (From Reflections on Pilgrimmage 2001 by Bishop Roman Danylak)

The second 666 is the period 1332 in the phenomenon of Protestantism.  The third 666 is the period 1998, which is our time.

Update:  This debate was indefinitely postponed.  Read here.