On how biblical verses on Felix Manalo of INC can apply to Muhammad or Gregorio Aglipay

Comment by seeker March 1, 2012 at 11:46 pm

Mr. Sugon, your question cannot be answered by just one statement or explained in just one verse. There were many prophesies in the Bible that prove Bro. Felix Manalo was the Last Messenger of God. It’s like puzzles that when you put them all together, you get the answer.

Reply by Quirino M. Sugon Jr March 10, 2012 at 11:43 

I am puzzled how INC can put together verses in the Bible to prove that Felix Manalo is the Last Messenger of God. The Last Messenger of God is not a unique teaching, because it was borrowed from the Muslims: Muhammad is the Last Messenger. If you claim that the latter days is 1914 because of the rumors of wars, the Muslims can also claim such a thing because they are the ones who started the wars, conquering the Christian lands around the Mediterranean Sea: Spain, North Africa, Eqypt, Syria, Asia Minor, and Constantinople. Muhammad also came from the East. He also teaches about the One True God, Allah. He also teaches that Jesus is just a man, a prophet. All the verses that you can use to prove that Felix Manalo was foretold in the Bible can equally apply to Muhammad.

If you claim that the Last Messenger must be in the Philippines, such title can also apply to Gregorio Aglipay who founded the Independent Church of the Philippines founded in 1903. Like Manalo, he also rejected the Trinity. Like Manalo, he also hates the Catholic Church. Like Manalo, he is also a Freemason. All the verses that you can use to prove that Felix Manalo was foretold in the Bible can equally apply to Gregorio Aglipay.

But Christ already foretold these things:

“False messiahs and false prophets will arise, and they will perform signs and wonders so great as to deceive, if that were possible, even the elect.25 Behold, I have told it to you beforehand.26 So if they say to you, ‘He is in the desert,’ do not go out there; if they say, ‘He is in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it.*27k For just as lightning comes from the east and is seen as far as the west, so will the coming of the Son of Man be.28 Wherever the corpse is, there the vultures will gather.” (Mt 24:24-28)

About Quirino M. Sugon Jr
Theoretical Physicist in Manila Observatory

4 Responses to On how biblical verses on Felix Manalo of INC can apply to Muhammad or Gregorio Aglipay

  1. [defenderben] says:

    Interestingly, Jesus is only Prophet who is also of divine nature.

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    Christ already foretold these things:

    “False messiahs and false prophets will arise, and they will perform signs and wonders so great as to deceive, if that were possible, even the elect.25 Behold, I have told it to you beforehand.26 So if they say to you, ‘He is in the desert,’ do not go out there; if they say, ‘He is in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it.*27k For just as lightning comes from the east and is seen as far as the west, so will the coming of the Son of Man be.28 Wherever the corpse is, there the vultures will gather.” (Mt 24:24-28)

    Reply:

    How can you proved all of that? Even the Bible itself testify against itself!

    Also, your original scriptures are all doubtful according to the Bible’s own theologians and historians. It’s quite hellarious that even the Bible itself admits that it has been tampered with and corrupted by man’s garbage:

    “`How can you say, “We [the Jews] are wise, for we have the law of the LORD,” when actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely?’ (From the NIV Bible, Jeremiah 8:8)“

    The Revised Standard Version makes it even clearer: “How can you say, ‘We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us’? But, behold, the false pen of the scribes has made it into a lie. (From the RSV Bible, Jeremiah 8:8)“

    And regarding who wrote the books and gospels of the Bible, well here is a sample of what the NIV Bible’s theologians and historians wrote:

    “Serious doubts exists as to whether these verses belong to the Gospel of Mark. They are absent from important early manuscripts and display certain peculiarities of vocabulary, style and theological content that are unlike the rest of Mark. His Gospel probably ended at 16:8, or its original ending has been lost. (From the NIV Bible Foot Notes, page 1528)“

    “Although the author does not name himself, evidence outside the Scriptures and inferences from the book itself lead to the conclusion that the author was Luke. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 1643)“

    “The writer of this letter does not identify himself, but he was obviously well known to the original recipients. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 1856)“

    “The letter is difficult to date with precision….(From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 1905)“

    “It seems safe to conclude that the book, at least in its early form, dates from the beginning of the monarchy. Some think that Samuel may have had a hand in shaping or compiling the materials of the book, but in fact we are unsure who the final author or editor was. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 286)“

    “Although, according to tradition, Samuel wrote the book, authorship is actually uncertain. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 322)”

    “The date of the composition is also unknown, but it was undoubtedly during the monarchy. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 322)“

    “The author is unknown. Jewish tradition points to Samuel, but it is unlikely that he is the author because the mention of David (4:17,22) implies a later date. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 360)“

    “Who the author was cannot be known with certainty since the book itself gives no indication of his identity. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 368)”

    “There is little conclusive evidence as to the identity of the author of 1,2 Kings. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 459)”

    “Whoever the author was, it is clear that he was familiar with the book of Deuteronomy. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 459)“

    “According to ancient Jewish tradition, Ezra wrote Chronicles, Ezra and Nehemiah (see Introduction to Ezra: Literary Form and Authorship), but this cannot be established with certainty. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 569)“

    “Although we do not know who wrote the book of Esther, from internal evidence it is possible to make some inferences about the author and the date of composition. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 707)“

    “The unknown author probably had access to oral and/or written sources….(From the NIV Bible commentary, page 722)“

    “Regarding authorship, opinions are even more divided….(From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 773)“

    etc…

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    Wow. You all believe a pile of books (Bible) where you can find:

    28 If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, 29 he shall pay her father fifty shekels[a] of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives. (Deuteronomy 22:28-29, NIV)

    And to ‘someone’ who is technically tempted by Satan:

    12 At once the Spirit sent him out into the wilderness, 13 and he was in the wilderness forty days, being tempted[a] by Satan. He was with the wild animals, and angels attended him. (Mark 1:12-13, NIV)

    Wow!

  2. [defenderben] says:

    QMSJr: “The Last Messenger of God is not a unique teaching, because it was borrowed from the Muslims: Muhammad is the Last Messenger.”

    Reply: That thing is cannot be borrow. They just copy that. People who has no originality.

    Every true prophets is given with miracles. What is the miracles given to Manalo and Aglipay? Answer: NONE!

    From Muhammad, going back to the first Prophet (peace be upon them), miracles is given to each of them.

    The difference to the miracles of the earlier prophets is that their miracles stop only up to sometime after their time. Unlike to Muhammad (peace be upon him), it will last until Day of Judgment. I am challenging every Bible followers “to disproved” Islam, etc.! Disprove Scientific Miracles Now Confirmed in the Qur’an. Come here:

    http://defenderben.wordpress.com/category/quran-miracles/

    (and http://www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#links)

    And, is there somebody out there who is brave enough to disprove my claim that the two passages below are contradicting?

    II Samuel 24:13 So God came to David, and told him, and said unto him, shall SEVEN YEARS OF FAMINE come unto thee in thy land? or will thou flee three months before thine enemies, while they pursue. thee?
    I Chronicles 21:11 SO God came to David, and said unto him, Thus saith the LORD, Choose thee. Either THREE YEARS OF FAMINE or three months to be destryed before thy foes, while that the sword of thine enemies overtaketh thee;

    I will wait your replies . . . .

  3. Quirino M. Sugon Jr says:

    defenderben,

    Concerning 2 Samuel 24:13, other translations are three years not seven years: http://bible.cc/2_samuel/24-13.htm. Biblical scholars can debate on the correct translation, but this number has no bearing on the important Christian doctrines.

  4. [defenderben] says:

    QMSJr: Concerning 2 Samuel 24:13, other translations are three years not seven years: http://bible.cc/2_samuel/24-13.htm.

    [defenderben]: Other translations? So which translation is closest to the truth? You want a true figure? Go and refer the original copy of the passage in its original language. It is important what exact figure is put, because it would be a blasphemy to disregard it.

    QMSJr: Biblical scholars can debate on the correct translation, but this number has no bearing on the important Christian doctrines.

    [defenderben]: See? Even your scholars has debate over it. . . I agree that number has no bearing on the important Christian doctrines. But it significantly show if your self-proclaim ‘holy’ scripture is reliable/authentic or not. True Words of God, DO NOT CONTRADICTS.

    When did David bring the Ark of the Covenant to Jerusalem? Before defeating the Philistines or after?

    (a) After (2 Samuel 5 and 6)

    (b) Before ( I Chronicles 13 and 14)

    Who Incited David to count the fighting men of Israel?

    (a) God did (2 Samuel 24:1)

    (b) Satan did (I Chronicles 2 1:1)

    How about the non-number related contradictions?

    THINK: “…God is Not the author of confusion..”

    1 Corinthians 14:33 KJV

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