The truth of the Bible is founded on the authority of the Church

Comment:
Comment by Ivan January 18, 2012 at 12:29 pm

Mr. Sugon:

I expected the discussion would come to this. Now, you question the infallibility of the Bible, the very source of knowledge that awakens the consciousness of man in understanding the purpose of his existence. We know that the Bible is the basis of man’s faith.

I do not claim to know everything about the Bible, the history of its compilation, or even the original manuscripts from which the Bible came from. But, in this, I am sure — that the Bible (the compilation of Scriptures, that we have now) contains the Words of God made known to men through His prophets, through our Lord Jesus Christ, through His Apostles….

Response: Quirino M. Sugon Jr
January 21, 2012 at 7:54 pm

Ivan,

Since you do not know the history of the Bible, how it was compiled, then you must read history (which is not in the Bible). And you will learn that it is by the authority of Catholic Church that the Old and New Testament was compiled to a single book (or list of books). And the Catholic Church base its selection of books not on the Bible, because there was no complete Bible yet, but on Tradition: the teachings handed on by the apostles. As the Apostle Paul said:

“Therefore, brothers, stand firm and hold fast to the traditions that you were taught, either by an oral statement or by a letter of ours.” (Thes 2:15)

Notice that traditions are either written (like the books of the Bible) or oral (taught by the apostles though not written). The Bible itself speaks that it is not the pillar of truth but rather the Church:

“But if I should be delayed, you should know how to behave in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of truth.” (1 Tim 3:15)

Christ did not command his disciples to settle disputes by reading the Bible (because there was only the Old Testament in His time), but rather to the Church:

“If your brother* sins [against you], go and tell him his fault between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have won over your brother.16* i If he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, so that ‘every fact may be established on the testimony of two or three witnesses.’17j If he refuses to listen to them, tell the church.* If he refuses to listen even to the church, then treat him as you would a Gentile or a tax collector.18* k Amen, I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.19″ (Mt 18:15-18)

So next time that you pick up your Bible and start quoting its verses as truth, then you abide by the authority of the Church for stating that what you hold in your hands is truth. Felix Manalo did not compile the Bible, so he has no authority to interpret what he did not gather. The best that he could have done is to make his own Bible, e.g. replace the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John by the Gospels of Peter, Thomas, Philip, and Mary Magdalene. But Manalo did not do so, but believed the Bible as true.

About Quirino M. Sugon Jr
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  1. Raymond St Cyr says:

    In the spirit of the conversation I offer the following.
    Ray St. Cyr

    15 Draft Copy-unedited

    The Birth of the Christian Bible

    I read that “God gives every bird its food, but He does not put it into its nest.” My flight mission was to search out my own spiritual food. Therefore, I embarked on an ideological and spiritual pilgrimage, searching for fulfilling meanings and principles. I read self-help psychology, Christian books, and anything that I was led to read. I listened to testimonial tapes, watched Christian television stations and listened to Christian radio. I met with other Christians and attended healing services with Ann. I was fueled with one big intellectual and spiritual multi-vitamin pill. Still I was not satisfied that I was making progress in my spiritual renewal program, I was not connecting with God, that is until the dialogue began.
    “Ray get out of the fast lane, pull over to the rest stop area and seek Me out. Spend some quality time with Me; I have much I want to tell you. Put aside your tapes and books. Center your attention and energies on My Word. I know that you have been actively searching but I need you to be quiet and listen to Me. Read your Bible but do not read mechanically but consciously. I will talk to you and you will know My voice distinct from yours. And so, I did with the blessing of the Church, which was not always the case.
    For 1,600 years only, the priest and church officials were permitted to read and interpret the Bible. Not so, for the Church of England who 400 years ago established a royal committee who’s task was to produce and publish a masterpiece known as the King James Bible and made it readily available throughout the Empire. In contrast, the Catholic Church did not support or encourage an individual’s curiosity to read the Bible. For most of the Catholic Church’s 2,000-year history the Church limited it’s circulation and discouraged its reading. The Church’s reasoning was similar to that of a concerned parent. They were worried that individualized interpretation may result in misunderstanding, confusion and inevitability lead to an enlighten laity that may challenge church teaching.
    Instead, in modern times Catholics were encouraged to read the Catechism or attend a parish-sponsored mission as their main source of spiritual nourishment and strength. It was only after an enlightened Pope Pius XII openly urged and encouraged the study of the Sacred Scriptures that the laity took on the responsibility for reading the Bible themselves. Some years latter the Dogmatic Constitution on Divine Revelation – (Dei Verbum) was promulgated. Pope Paul VI on November 18, 1965, following approval by the assembled bishops by a vote of 2,344 to 623. It was one of the principal documents of the Second Vatican Council. It says: The Sacred Scriptures contain the Word of God and since they are inspired, really is the Word of God… “This sacred Synod urges all faithful Christian’s to learn by frequent reading of the divine Scripture the excellent knowledge of Jesus Christ. For ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ.” Therefore, they should gladly put themselves in touch with the sacred text itself… And let them remember that prayer should accompany the reading of Sacred Scripture, so that God and man may talk together; for “we speak to him when we pray; we hear him when we read the divine saying.”
    As an incentive, the Church bestows a plenary indulgence to those who devoutly read the Bible for at least one half hour a day. The granting of a plenary indulgence eliminates all the temporal punishment due sin. “Temporal punishment” means that, even though all your sins are forgiven in Confession, God still demands that you be punished (for a time) either in this life or in Purgatory. However, temporal punishment has a dual nature. It takes away emotional pain; suffering and guilt feelings that tend to linger in this life or in the afterlife. But hence, the mystery, according to well-learned theologians there is no time in purgatory or heaven.
    Mystery aside, a faith-filled Christian understands that the Bible is inspired by God and rightfully should be esteemed. The sole purpose of the Bible was to record God’s love letter to humanity. The Bible is one tool in God’s toolbox that God uses to talk individually to each soul. We all heard that scripture is the word of God. But what does that mean? It means that it contains God’s thoughts and not just human words on a page. These are the thoughts of God written down in human words. It means that God put these thoughts into the minds of the authors. So to keep His word alive we need to Know Him. One way to know Him is to read the bible. This is a first step in opening the door of our finite mind to the infinite mind and thoughts of God.
    At this point, I decided to prove for myself the reality of His living word, the truth of His promises. I knew that I could no longer base my religious and spiritual belief solely on the testimony of any person who claims to know the truths of scripture. They may be correct or they may be in error as to what the scriptures teach. I needed to do my own “due diligence” and study the word of God for myself. If I abdicated my responsibility to others it would have thwarted my search for self-discovery and God.
    Think of it this way if you look at your car window, you see bug specks, water stains, cloudy film residue, dust and maybe the nicks where small flying rocks hit the window. If you look through the window you see the road ahead of you, you see the direction God wants you to go. The Bible is God’s clean window that helps us look past our imperfect vision. It is a book that helps us see more clearly what God wants us to see and say to us as individuals. It is also a book about the Devine Mystery we call God.
    I knew I needed guidance, answers and direction and I found them in the Bible. Questions would beget questions and with patience and persistence, I would find meaningful answers. The word of God was witnessing to my soul even as I read with only human understanding. Spiritual insight and understanding is a gift granted by the Holy Spirit. As I had not “officially” been open to receiving the Holy Spirit, I remained in the dark on the esoteric spiritual meanings and deeper Biblical insights. It was my understanding that a personal certainty of the Holy Spirit in one’s life results in keener spiritual wisdom. But that was yet to happen to me.
    When I learned about Bible history I discovered some interesting facts, such as the way the Christian Bible was born. The ancients were searching for meaning. The present generation is searching for meaning, as will future generations. However, history tells us that the first concept or idea of a deity emerged about 14,000 years ago in the ancient world of the Middle East. Each of those ancient cultures devised their own way to worship and express their wonder of their many gods.
    Throughout time different cultures, the world over expressed and fostered an acknowledgement of an intrinsic spiritual reality within the human. They shared stories and created myths to express their humble attempt at describing a spiritual quality that was to far reaching to be told in any other way. Their gods and goddesses allowed them to articulate their sense of the powerful but unseen forces that surrounded them. As cultures, matured, economic, and social conditions changed new, religious system reflected new ideologies for the times.
    Then enter Abraham who it is generally recognized by scholars probably lived in the period between 2000 and 1500 BC. At that time in history Abraham’s understanding and concept of God was a radical new idea, one that in did not exist before. Abraham proclaimed one God in a world abound with polytheism (many gods) and idols. But his concept of one God profoundly changed the world. Eventually, throughout all the centuries it filtered down to three dominant monotheistic religions- Judaism, Christianity, and Islam that shaped, influenced, and altered the human conception of God. Aristotle’s god was scarcely aware of the world He created. The God of the bible is passionately involved in human affairs. While the Greeks, approach to discovered God was by reason. And the God of the Christian Bible, He is revealed by revelation.
    The prophets had always made God verbally visible on earth by attributing their own insights to Him. By the time of Mark’s first gospel, historical facts had been blended with mythical elements. Mark and the other gospel writers were not prophets of old still their desire was to convey the teachings of Jesus. Not to dispute that God spoke the literal truth unto man but Jesus words verbatim? More likely, they penned as faithful and factual account to portray the man called Jesus Christ, as they knew it to be. Now the Church formulates new legislation, that is seen both as God’s and their own.
    Today even with all that has been discovered in recent years some Christians continue to believe that every word in the bible is the true word of God, and that it is error free. But others think that position is debatable. Jesus’ apostles spoke in Aramaic and there are no scriptures written in Jesus’ natural tongue. Man not being perfect may have failed to faithfully and literally capture the actual words of God and Jesus. Modern scholars hold the opinion that Jesus’ words and teachings were subject to multiple translations, hand written copies, recopying, and then widely dispersed and passed down through many generations. Human error did result in known spelling errors, mistranslations and even omissions. Upon discovery and correction, the correction sometimes changed the meaning of the entire sentence.
    It has been discovered that in the ancient world there were “false writings” that even made there way into the canonical New Testament. For example, the Pastoral Epistles claimed to be written by Paul according to Biblical scholars and historians were actually penned after Paul’s death. Some scholars believe that an unknown individual at a latter, unknown date inserted, 1 Corinthians 14:34- into the text of the Christians at Corinth to enforce (by Paul’s authority) the suppression of women as full participants in church services. So, without any original manuscripts of any of the gospels, who with any authority can emphatically state the bible is error free.
    It’s thought that the reason for doing so was to use the bible as their justification. The reason for the bible modification (if true) was because the Women in the time of the infancy of the fragile church were very much involved in leadership roles. As the church expanded, they were put on the back seat of the bus and relegated to the more mundane duties and their contributions were all but erased. Reinstating the old patriarchal traditions of male dominance erased them. And that attitude and patriarchal puffiness carries over even to today in the halls of the Vatican.
    Many Women back then were fully capable of understanding the deep wisdom of God’s word some even more so then men. Another troublesome challenge to the male dominated early church was the authorship of one of the apocryphal gospels, the Gospel of Mary Magdalene, is attributed to this most famous of Jesus’ female apostles. And in Pistis Sophia Chapter 96, Christ says;” Where I shall be, there will be also my twelve ministers. But Mary Magdalene and John, the virgin, will tower over all my disciples and over all men who shall receive the mysteries in the Ineffable. And they will be on my right and on my left. And I am they, and they are I.” Of course, this Gospel was band, hidden or destroyed, until it was discovered as part of the lost books of the bible.
    Today we know that many different men wrote the bible over a time span of three thousand years plus. It wasn’t until three centuries after Christ that the Church’s first “official” bible was agreed to. That in part is why the bible takes on the disorderly makeup of a collection of sixty–odd books. Yet, the bible is a book about both the sublime and the indescribable. It is a book about God and us and it does not have to be read in sequence. When the Gutenberg Bible was first printed in 1455, the majority of Christian thinking then, and perhaps still today is that the Hebrew Old Testament is the same Old Testament contained in the Christian Bible. But that is not completely true. History tells us that the Hebrew Old Testament was massaged and tweaked to better reflect the Christian message. The Christian theologians accepted the Hebrew Old Testament at the time, but did so with misgivings. They took the liberty to disregard, regroup and even weaken some events that were sacred to the Jews.
    Scholars tell us that the first Christian Bible is about 1,700 years younger than the Torah. The Torah, which is the first 5 books of the bible, took on form during the Babylon exile. During their seventy years in exile the Israelites were surrounded and dwarfed by all the Babylon gods and the Israelites where forced to ask themselves a fundamental questions. Why did their God (Yahweh) forsake them and let this happen? Why did He allow them to be taken from their promised land? They cried out always wondering where are you God, why have you forgotten and abandoned us. In the ancient world if your country was destroyed by another country, it meant that their god was more powerful than your god. The natural thing to do was to worship the more powerful god. But the Israelites survivors did not, they continued to worship Yahweh and struggle to understand how this could have happened. They asked what did we do or not do to suffer this fate. What they came to discover and agreed was their down fall was that they worshiped false gods before their defeat and capture.
    The Torah within the Christian Bible isn’t always translated correctly. Jesus is completely inconsistent with the Torah, which teaches that God is immaterial, which is true as Jesus was unknown to the writers of the Torah. The Interpreter’s Dictionary of the Bible, a book written to prove the validity of the New Testament, says:” “A study of 150 Greek [manuscripts] of the Gospel of Luke has revealed more than 30,000 different readings… It is safe to say that there is not one sentence in the New Testament in which the [manuscript] is wholly uniform.” Other scholars report there are some 200,000 variants in the existing manuscripts of the New Testament, representing about 400 variant readings, which cause doubt about textual meaning; 50 of these are of great significance. The Torah has nine spelling variants—with absolutely no effect on the meaning of the words. The Christian Bible has over 200,000 variants and in 400 instances, the variants change the meaning of the text. The point being that the original Jewish Torah as translated and copied over into the Christian Bible is not completely accurate and faithful to the Jewish Torah as the Jewish Torah is to itself.
    In fact, the translation for the Gutenberg Bible was not taken directly from the Jewish Bible, which was written in Hebrew, but from a Greek translation of the Jewish Old Testament. Therefore, it was not a pure translation but vulnerable to subjective translation interpretation. As an example, the Hebrew Old Testament’s word for young is almah, while the Greek interpretation for the Hebrew word young is parthenos, which means virgin. Was Mary, Joseph’s young wife or Joseph’s virgin wife, or was Mary both? In turn, each foreign language has their versions of English words. In English- “Blessed are the meek”, in French translates- “Happy are the debonair.” The sign on Jesus’ cross depending on the translation can be read “King of the Jews” or as “Head Jew” which is closer to Pilates sediments. Is the Bible to be taken literally, word for word? When John the Baptist calls Jesus the Lamb of God, is he literally seeing Him as a sheep? No rational person can claim that Jesus is a “real” Lamb dressed in a human uniform.
    But then again, did Jesus actually walk on water and if so was it as God or as a human? When do we read the bible metaphorically, symbolically, as factual or as inspired story telling? Some of it is truly challenging to the layperson. But as a layperson, maybe it is not science fiction; maybe Jesus did walk on water or levitate just above it. And maybe He did so as a human and if so maybe it was a form of levitation. But really, can humans actually levitate. The Catholic Church believes so and they even have a host of saints on their books that possessed that very ability.
    Saint Joseph of Cupertino is believed to be a flying saint in Christian tradition. On October 4, 1630, the town of Cupertino held a procession on the feast day of Saint Francis of Assisi. Joseph was assisting in the procession when he suddenly soared into the sky, where he remained hovering over the crowd. When he descended and realized what had happened, he became so embarrassed that he fled to his mother’s house and hid. This was the first of many flights, which soon earned him the nickname “The Flying Saint”. Joseph’s life changed dramatically after this incident. His flights continued and came with increasing frequency. His superiors, alarmed at his lack of control, forbade him from community exercises, believing he would cause too great a distraction for the friary. For the fact was, Joseph could not contain himself. On hearing the names of Jesus or Mary, the singing of hymns during the feast of St. Francis, or while praying at Mass, he would go into a dazed state and soar into the air, remaining there until a superior commanded him under obedience to revive.
    Joseph’s most famous flight allegedly occurred during a papal audience before Pope Urban VIII. When he bent down to kiss the Pope’s feet, he was suddenly filled with reverence for Christ’s Vicar on earth, and was lifted up into the air. Only when the Minister General of the Order, who was part of the audience, ordered him down was Joseph able to return to the floor. Source: Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. So the question is does one believe this account and all the other recorded accounts to be true or embellished stories? The Church does not bestow sainthood without serious investigations. Still it makes Jesus’ walk on water not only possible but also even probable.
    Christianity believes that Jesus was the prophesied Savior. As a result, the Christian Old Testament has a repeated theme that points to Jesus as being the prophesied Savior of mankind. Even so, the Hebrew Old Testament does not clearly support that belief. Why? Because as mentioned the Christian Old Testament is not a clone of the Hebrew Old Testament, nor does it, have to be, because it was edited to reflect Christian believes. Likewise, the same rationale and final selection process resulted in the New Testament. Of some, eighty plus unaltered gospels considered for the New Testament, only four were chosen.
    Would Church leaders and scholars choose the same four Gospels today? Understandably, there was a desire to preserve the Church from false teachings or incorrect beliefs. But were all the other gospels inaccurate or unspiritual? After reading a few of them I found them informative but uninspiring, they read more like textbooks and summary reports. They failed to yield that sense of the sacred, the power of God that provides the reader with flashes of illumination or epiphanies leading to a new understanding of the answer to a problem or the mystery of how God speaks directly and personally to the reader. Overall, they did not posses that heightened spiritual elixir that can infuse a sense of heightened spiritually.
    Think about it: There are more than 38,000 Christian denominations in America alone, all with different interpretations of the Bible. In addition, there are twenty other major religions around the world. With all these multifarious believes, dogmas and practices religion is still not directly provable. This then leaves the door open for endless teachings, revelations, absolutes and devotional practices. Meaning everyone’s interpretation of Scripture or their holy books can’t be correct. Thus, we are left with a multiple of tea leave readers all claiming their tealeaves are the absolute true tealeaves. That being the case, we end up with Spiritual Fricassee. A mixture suited to everyone’s personal taste buds. Consequently, we have all these religions but yet only one truth, the truth of which no one religion owns the exclusive franchise on God’s truth. The real truth will only be completely known and understood on the other side of life. As for this life our truth is limited to enlightenment and spiritual subjectivity.
    Such a nebula of truth can be widely misinterpreted and is uniquely open to misinterpretation. Hence, in order to determine what you can and can’t take literally, you must have an authentic interpreter, in the Catholic Church that responsibility is owned by the Magisterium. There’s a reason for the Church to assign itself that responsibility. Perhaps my own experience illustrates why. As I learned more about the Bible, the more I began to realize that some Catholic teachings are contrary to Scripture. I found this disturbing and difficult to think that for me what was once believed to be rock solid may in fact contain sand composites.
    For about forty years after the death of Jesus the church existed in embryonic form and most of the population could not read or write. Jesus’ life’s deeds and words were past along by word of mouth, stories and possibly even sung before they were written down. The first gospel writing was around 70AD. Scholars hold the opinion that very few of Jesus actual words are recorded in the Gospel’s, and much of what of the material in the Gospel’s has been affected by latter development in the churches that were founded by St. Paul after Jesus death. John 20:30 says “that Jesus did many other signs “not recorded in this book.” Then again in John 21:25 “There are, however, many other things that Jesus did; but if every one of these should be written, not even the world itself, I think, could hold the books that would have to be written.”
    Moreover, it is believed by religious scholars that in addition to recent discoveries there remain new documents and evidence waiting to be found. Around 200 AD there were as many as 50-70 known Christian accounts. But as the time between what was witnessed and actually said lengthens so can the faithfulness of the facts. Could this time gap then introduced some embellishments to our present bible? They may be true, partially true, or at worst case not true. I clearly do not believe that the bible is the product of the children’s game of “Telephone.” By the time what one child said makes it to its ultimate recipient, it may have no rational correlation to what was actually said. My thinking is that what was written does have a rational and spiritual correlation to what actually happened and to what was actually said.
    Still, the more I read the bible the more I learned about God and myself. With God’s help I began to understand Scripture little by little as He reveal Himself to me through His Word. Although we can always learn from others, we don’t necessarily have to rely on professionals, experts or church officials. The basic principles are simple enough for young children to understand. But the Bible is so rich so deep so esoteric that a brilliant scholar can spend a lifetime studying it and still not understand everything in it and certainly never fully understand the mystery of the Devine. And that’s as it should be.
    In summary, the bible is the basic story line of salvation history and should be looked upon as a most intimate work of God. Its aim is to build up the love of God and your neighbor and if not then you have failed, not the bible. The bible is also the first step towards knowing the will of God and God providing the grace to do it. Lastly, I’d be remiss if I did not mention like everything in life if taken to the extreme the bible can be twisted by troubled minds to justified irrational, fanatical and even criminal acts in the name of God. Hence, the need to seek multiple and sound biblical guidance from learned and respected resources when and if necessary.

  2. ivan says:

    Mr. Sugon:

    The Catholic Church may have compiled the Bible, but still, THE AUTHOR OF IT IS GOD. Similarly, the Bible, which is backed by history and archaeology, contains the Words of God and not of some church authority. Be reminded, too, that NOT ALL who know and use the Words of God are of God. Even Satan knows the Scripture. Remember Satan even tempted the Lord Jesus Christ in the desert using the Scripture (Mt 4:5-7). Being the one (Catholic Church) who compiled the Bible does not automatically make her the AUTHORITY in explaining and teaching the Words of God, FYI.

    YOU SAID:

    The Bible itself speaks that it is not the pillar of truth but rather the Church:

    “But if I should be delayed, you should know how to behave in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of truth.” (1 Tim 3:15)

    MY COMMENT:

    NOW, which is that Church that is of God? Again, to know the one true Church of God, that is also the Church of Christ (because that is His BODY), we must consult the Bible again. The ONE TRUE CHURCH is the one founded by Christ, the one which UPHOLDS HIS TEACHINGS, and the one which is of God.

    YOU SAID:

    So next time that you pick up your Bible and start quoting its verses as truth, then you abide by the authority of the Church for stating that what you hold in your hands is truth.

    MY COMMENT:

    WHO must we seek now in knowing and understanding the Words of God written in the Bible?

    Of course, a messenger or a preacher from God, who has been given the ministry of reconciliation. In 2 Cor 5:18-21, this we can read –

    “All this is from God, who reconciled us to himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation: that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting people’s sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation. We are therefore Christ’s ambassadors, as though God were making his appeal through us. We implore you on Christ’s behalf: Be reconciled to God. God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.”

    And in Romans 10:15, –

    “And how shall they preach unless they are sent? As it is written: ‘How beautiful are the feet of those who preach the gospel of peace, who bring glad tidings of good things!”

    We must also be guided in seeking for the preachers of God’s Words. In 1 John 4:1, this is written —

    “Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world.”

    And, HOW do we know that they are from God? In John 3:34, this we can read –

    “The one whom God has sent speaks God’s words, because God gives him the fullness of his Spirit.”

    Also, in John 14:26 –

    “But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.

    DOES the Catholic Church holds the authority to preach?

    Be reminded, again, that God has given us the responsibility of seeking His true messengers or preachers by “testing every spirit.” (1 John 4:1)

    In like manner, a man, REGARDLESS of his religion, has to ascertain that his FAITH will bring him to God.

    We believe in Felix Manalo as a true messenger from God because his teachings are in accordance to the Words and commandments of God which we receive through our faith in the Lord Jesus Christ.

    Mr. Sugon, does the dogma on the triune God of the Catholic Church came from Christ or from the Apostles? Never did Christ preach about a triune God (Trinity) even until his ascension to heaven. Instead, based from the verses that I’ve already given before, the ONE TRUE GOD referred to by Christ is none other than the Father.

    Then, how sure are you now that the Catholic Church is really the Church of Christ or of God if the MOST IMPORTANT COMMANDMENT OF ALL is not being followed?

    Mark 12:28-34 (New King James Version):

    28 Then one of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning together, perceiving that He had answered them well, asked Him, “Which is the first commandment of all?”

    29 Jesus answered him, “The first of all the commandments is: ‘Hear, O Israel, the LORD our God, the LORD is one.

    30 And you shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind, and with all your strength.’This is the first commandment.

    31 And the second, like it, is this: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’There is no other commandment greater than these.”

    32 So the scribe said to Him, “Well said, Teacher. You have spoken the truth, FOR THERE IS ONE GOD, AND THERE IS NO OTHER BUT HE..

    33 And to love Him with all the heart, with all the understanding, with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love one’s neighbor as oneself, is more than all the whole burnt offerings and sacrifices.”

    34 Now when Jesus saw that he answered wisely, He said to him, “You are not far from the kingdom of God.” But after that no one dared question Him.

  3. Quirino M. Sugon Jr says:

    Ivan,

    You duplicated your response. Shall I delete your previous similar response?

  4. ivan says:

    Mr. Sugon:

    I duplicated it because you also have duplicated my previous comment and your response to that under this new post. My comment for your response is the same. So I suggest you keep it that way. Don’t delete the other. Thanks.

  5. benmfwnt says:

    _one of the reason why there are so many ‘errors’ in the Bible was its numerous authors. authors, who accordingly, guided by the Holy Spirit. but, lo, the Holy Spirit is not wise enough, unfit in guiding, because there are so many verses in the Bible that clearly opposite! now, would you believe in a religion with such?

  6. anamnesis says:

    Hi, I’d like make one distinction to this statement (which Mr. Sugon’s explanation is quite clear about further on) : “it is by the authority of Catholic Church that the Old and New Testament was compiled”

    It is by the authority of the Church that the books were compiled. She was not known as the “Catholic” Church during the compilation process as there was no need to distinguish the one Church from any other. We say in the Creed “We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church”. That is we believe in ONE holy universal apostolic Church. We are a universal apostolate, witnesses of Christ. It is my understanding as well that we are the “Catholic Church”, NOT the “Roman Catholic Church” (as if there were other universal churches or a church universal only within Rome). The “reformed” churches are out of communion with the one Church that “is united under the Vicar of Christ in Rome, the Pope”.

    http://www.ewtn.com/faith/teachings/churb3.htm

  7. Wants to be Anonymous says:

    My friend, it has been a long time. Happy New year. I have been of better health in years past. To the matter at hand, I just wanted to remind you, I believe we have discussed it previously, and I am sure you have learned in your youth (i.e. theology classes) that part of that which we now call the old testament was actually the bible entrusted to our jewish brethren, whom we acknowledge as also God’s “chosen people”. I put that phrase in quotes, since modern interpretation is subject to a lot of arguments, both religious and otherwise, and I don’t think such arguments are necessary here. Just a reminder, to make sure that you remember! AMDG

  8. [benmfwnt] says:

    I checked http://www.catholic.org/bible/books_bible.php for the books under the ‘Bible’ . . . there was a lot of them there. i also again visited the popular http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/jim_meritt/bible-contradictions.html . . . i’m inviting everyone to post down what they can say about it.

    To see is to believe ^_*

  9. Chris says:

    “The truth of the Bible is founded on the authority of the Church”

    Hmmmm……. no.

    The truth of the Bible is prooven by many plp who have experienced Jesus and God and by the existence of Israel / the Jews.
    T
    he church is founded on the authority of the scripture, not the opposite around. Everything else is against the scripture.

  10. Real29 says:

    If Jesus said to Peter,

    “I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; and whatever you bind on earth [c]shall have been bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth [d]shall have been loosed in heaven.”

    who is binding and loosening now??? anyone who can interpret the bible???NO!! of course..It’s the Catholic Church..holding that authority, and history can trace it back to Peter…

  11. kapriel says:

    Well said, Real29! God bless.

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