Is Catholicism the true religion?

Question by Ivan Misoto submitted on 2011/11/28 at 10:09 am

You cited the verse, Mt.13:10-11. about those who were granted the knowledge of the kingdom of heaven. In the same way, we can also say that not all men are given the understanding of the one true God. But, how can we tell which is which or who is who? Who are those people that have been given that wisdom or spiritual knowledge? How can we tell who they are when each religious authority (Catholic Church, INC, Islam, Buddhism, etc.) has been defending their own beliefs?

Answer submitted on 2011/11/30 at 12:47 am | In reply to ivan misoto.

There is only one true religion. One can determine this from the wisdom of its founder and the proof of his authority through miracles. Well, Islam, INC, and Buddhism can also make such claims. So we look at the fruits of religion. We look at the men and women who lived the ideals of the religion and see if we wish to emulate them. For Catholics, the proof of the truth of the Catholic religion is in the holiness of the saints who followed the example and teachings of Christ. As Christ said:

“Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but underneath are ravenous wolves.k 16 By their fruits you will know them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17 Just so, every good tree bears good fruit, and a rotten tree bears bad fruit.18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a rotten tree bear good fruit.19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit will be cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 So by their fruits you will know them.” (Mt 7:15-20)

Christ said, ‘Amen, I say to you, whatever you did for one of these least brothers of mine, you did for me.’(Mt 25:40) With this belief, Mother Teresa cared for the dying of India, because she saw Christ in them. This selfless caring for the dying has not been thought of in Hindu religion and will never be because Hinduism divides people into castes.

Christ said, “Put your sword back into its sheath, for all who take the sword will perish by the sword” (Mt 26:52). St. Joan of Arc liberated France from the English without taking her sword to kill, and she wept bitterly for both the French and English who died in the battlefield. In the Battle of Orleans, the French and English faced each other. Because it was Sunday, St. Joan forbade the French to attack because it is the Lord’s day; they should wait for the English to make the first move. After one hour of both sides doing nothing, the English turned their backs without a fight and lost the battle. St. Joan is unlike Muhammad who treated Jews and Christians as enemies to be killed without compassion, or taxed to death until they convert to Islam. The fruit of Muhammad is the Jihadists who kill even innocent civilians.

Christ said, ““Not all can accept [this] word,* but only those to whom that is granted.12 Some are incapable of marriage because they were born so; some, because they were made so by others; some, because they have renounced marriage* for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. Whoever can accept this ought to accept it.”” (Mt 19:11-12). To not marry for the sake of the kingdom of heaven is the vow of celibacy made by priests and consecrated brothers and sisters–and there are many saints who took this vow and lead holy and heroic lives, even to the point of martyrdom for the love of Christ. Did Felix Manalo of Iglesia ni Cristo not marry for the sake of the Kingdom of God? He married. If you believe Wikipedia, Manalo was excommunicated by Philippine Mission Churches of Christ and by the Seventh-Day Adventist Church because of adultery. Was there anyone in Iglesia ni Cristo took vows of celibacy for the sake of the Kingdom of God, following the example of Christ. None. Iglesia ni Cristo even teaches celibacy as contrary to the Bible.

So basing from these examples, which do you think is the true religion?

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About Quirino M. Sugon Jr
Theoretical Physicist in Manila Observatory

38 Responses to Is Catholicism the true religion?

  1. Ben says:

    “St. Joan is unlike Muhammad who treated Jews and Christians as enemies to be killed without compassion, or taxed to death until they convert to Islam. The fruit of Muhammad is the Jihadists who kill even innocent civilians.”

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    REPLY:

    Allow me to use an excerpt from the book — Islam, the Natural Way by Abdul Wahid Ahmid, pp.40-41:

    TOLERANCE and PROTECTION

    The initial position of a Muslim to other faith is thus one of tolerance. More than this, protection of freedom of belief and worship for followers of other religions has been made sacred by duty of Muslims. Remarkably, this duty has been fixed at the same time when the duty of Jihaad was ordained:
    “Permission [to fight] has been given to those who are being fought, because they were wronged. And indeed, Allah is competent to give them victory.
    [They are] those who have been evicted from their homes without right – only because they say, “Our Lord is Allah .” And were it not that Allah checks the people, some by means of others, there would have been demolished monasteries, churches, synagogues, and mosques in which the name of Allah is much mentioned. And Allah will surely support those who support Him. Indeed, Allah is Powerful and Exalted in Might.” (Qur’an 22:3-40)
    The above verses give precedence to the sawaami’ (monasteries), the biya’ (churches), the salawaat (synagogues) over the mosques in order to underline their inviolability and the duty of the Muslims to safeguard them against any descretion or abuse, and protect freedom of belief.
    Indeed, Islam requires that protection be given to people who do not believe in revealed religion at all, provided they refrain from molesting the belivers. The Qur’an declares:
    “And if any one of the polytheists seeks your protection, then grant him protection so that he may hear the words of Allah . Then deliver him to his place of safety. That is because they are a people who do not know.” (Qur’an 9:6)
    The second position is based on the knowledge that even after he has erred or gone astray man has the capacity to return to his good nature and the Straight Path. Man often needs to be helped in this process by being reminded of his nature and purpose in life. This is referred as Da’waah (or invitation and welcoming). As the result of Daw’aah, people may choose to return to their naturally good state and become a Muslim in which case they accept all the obligations and rights of the believers. Alternatively, they may choose to remain in their religion. In of worship and autonomy in their istitutions. They have the right to mange their own afffairs and the obligation to live in peace and co-existence with others.
    A third position arises when people have not only strayed but actively rebel and and commit evil and injustice despite calls on them to give up their eveil ways. Such people, whether they belong to areligion or not; cannot be left alone but need to be combatted in the interest of security and to protect such values as life, honour and so on.

  2. Ben says:

    You, Quirino M. Sugon Jr, has ill-educated yourself.

    For further, reply against your claim, visit the following:

    What Does Islam Say about Terrorism?

    Address: http://www.islam-guide.com/frm-ch3-11.htm and,

    Human Rights and Justice in Islam

    http://www.islam-guide.com/frm-ch3-11.htm . . .

    You are blabbing ur mouth and fingers unfairly against Islam!

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    (Off-Topic)

    By the way, I’m sorry, because I promise u some months ago that I will provide u the reasons why actions of Muslims why they need to launch a Jihaad. I haven’t had a time to talk to an ustadz here. Hopefully, I will provide it this December.

  3. Ben says:

    My very answer to this question: “Is Catholicism the true religion?” . . .

    No.

    Only Islam is the religion from God.

    “He has ordained for you of religion what He enjoined upon Noah and that which We have revealed to you, [O Muhammad], and what We enjoined upon Abraham and Moses and Jesus – to establish the religion and not be divided therein. Difficult for those who associate others with Allah is that to which you invite them. Allah chooses for Himself whom He wills and guides to Himself whoever turns back [to Him].”

    — Qur’an 42:13

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    (Off-Topic)

    Next time, can u post new topics like (1) Where Do We Came From?, (2) What is the Nature of The Creator? and (3) Criteria for true scripture?

    Thanks.

    – Ben :-)

  4. Ben says:

    One more about this claim: “St. Joan is unlike Muhammad who treated Jews and Christians as enemies to be killed without compassion, or taxed to death until they convert to Islam. The fruit of Muhammad is the Jihadists who kill even innocent civilians.”

    _Dont forget what the Christian/European West did to the Jews . . . I read in a history book that some of them are force to choose between death or accepting Christianity.

  5. Ben says:

    Any update?

    —————
    _and one more, don’t also forget what are the real intentions of the Spanish here in the country for over 3 centuries. Are they really want to spread the Christianity/Catholicism in the first place? Or exploit the richness of our country? Think up.

    About these all . . . any update? Or are u just afraid to face the truth of the past? Wew!

  6. Quirino M. Sugon Jr says:

    Ben,

    There is a difference between Catholics and Muslims. The Catholic Church condemns forced conversions of the Jews. The fact that some Catholic governments and individual Catholics impose forced conversions on their constituents is a different story. It is a problem of obedience but not of doctrine. The problem with Muslims is that there is not even a hint of condemnation of forced conversions of peoples to the Muslim Faith. There is no central authority who condemns such actions. It is a problem of doctrine and not of obedience.

  7. Quirino M. Sugon Jr says:

    Ben,

    The primary aim is to convert pagans to the Catholic Faith, in obedience to the commandment of Christ. Before the Spaniards came, Aztecs practice human sacrifice. Before the Spaniards came, Filipinos are sexual perverts. When these people were converted, their morals improved, human sacrifice was abolished, and so is slavery. Human rights is a distinctly Christian doctrine, which is not found in Muslim lands, because human rights stems from the dignity of man as being created in the image and likeness of God, as taught in the Book of Genesis.

    You may also like to ask what are the real intentions of Muslims in conquering Spain, the Byzantine Empire, and North Africa–all the Christian lands around Mediterranean. In Christianity, men and women are both children of God–equal and complementary–because a Eve (woman) was taken from the side of the Adam (man) to be his companion–not from the head in order to rule man or from the feet so that man may dominate her. In Shariah, women are inferior to men and their testimony is half that of a man.

  8. Ben says:

    “Ben,

    There is a difference between Catholics and Muslims. The Catholic Church condemns forced conversions of the Jews. The fact that some Catholic governments and individual Catholics impose forced conversions on their constituents is a different story.”

    ———-
    Ahaha. Just the same with what come from ur words. Never accused Islam or Muhammad in these way that u said above: “Muhammad who treated Jews and Christians as enemies to be killed without compassion, or taxed to death until they convert to Islam. The fruit of Muhammad is the Jihadists who kill even innocent civilians.” your words are false! Understand Islam thoroughly before u say such as these. Wew! Idiot!

  9. Ben says:

    _think of this one: “You are all following a religion that teaches to destroy your body. Why? You are following a religion that advocate the drinking of licqour/wine. Drinks that desroy our physical body. What a religion!
    ——————
    (In Islam, we reject ur claim that Jesus (alayhi salam) turn the water into a wine).

  10. Quirino M. Sugon Jr says:

    Ben,

    I thought before that you wished to prove that Muhammad was the prophet prophesied by the Bible. If the Bible is false when it states that Jesus turned water into wine, how can you be sure that the biblical verses that you use to prove that Muhammad was the prophet are true?

  11. Quirino M. Sugon Jr says:

    Ben,

    If I am not mistaken, the Quran teaches that in heaven there will be wine and each man will have virgins to satisfy his lust. If wine is bad, then what can you say of Islam’s heaven?

  12. Quirino M. Sugon Jr says:

    Ben,

    An idiot is a person who cannot reason out.

  13. Ben says:

    Think of this: “If ur god is ‘good’ . . . he won’t encourage the drinking of wine. Wine is bad to our body. Get it?”

    —————–

    By the way, u haven’t give me a direct comment regarding my blog. Hehe.

    Check on this:

    Biblical Prophecies on the Advent of
    Muhammad , the Prophet of Islam

    The Biblical prophecies on the advent of the Prophet Muhammad are evidence of the truth of Islam for people who believe in the Bible.

    In Deuteronomy 18, Moses stated that God told him: “I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers; I will put my words in his mouth, and he will tell them everything I command him. If anyone does not listen to my words that the prophet speaks in my name, I myself will call him to account.” (Deuteronomy 18:18-19).1

    From these verses we conclude that the prophet in this prophecy must have the following three characteristics:

    1) That he will be like Moses.

    2) That he will come from the brothers of the Israelites, i.e. the Ishmaelites.

    3) That God will put His words in to the mouth of this prophet and that he will declare what God commands him.

    Let us examine these three characteristics in more depth:
    1) A prophet like Moses:

    There were hardly any two prophets who were so much alike as Moses and Muhammad . Both were given a comprehensive law and code of life. Both encountered their enemies and were victorious in miraculous ways. Both were accepted as prophets and statesmen. Both migrated following conspiracies to assassinate them. Analogies between Moses and Jesus overlook not only the above similarities but other crucial ones as well. These include the natural birth, the family life, and death of Moses and Muhammad but not of Jesus. Moreover Jesus was regarded by his followers as the Son of God and not exclusively as a prophet of God, as Moses and Muhammad were and as Muslims believe Jesus was. So, this prophecy refers to the Prophet Muhammad and not to Jesus, because Muhammad is more like Moses than Jesus.

    Also, one notices from the Gospel of John that the Jews were waiting for the fulfillment of three distinct prophecies. The first was the coming of Christ. The second was the coming of Elijah. The third was the coming of the Prophet. This is obvious from the three questions that were posed to John the Baptist: “Now this was John’s testimony, when the Jews of Jerusalem sent priests and Levites to ask him who he was. He did not fail to confess, but confessed freely, “I am not the Christ.” They asked him, “Then who are you? Are you Elijah?” He said, “I am not.” “Are you the Prophet?” He answered, “No.” (John 1:19-21). If we look in a Bible with cross-references, we will find in the marginal notes where the words “the Prophet” occur in John 1:21, that these words refer to the prophecy of Deuteronomy 18:15 and 18:18.2 We conclude from this that Jesus Christ is not the prophet mentioned in Deuteronomy 18:18.
    2) From the brothers of the Israelites:

    Abraham had two sons, Ishmael and Isaac (Genesis 21). Ishmael became the grandfather of the Arab nation, and Isaac became the grandfather of the Jewish nation. The prophet spoken of was not to come from among the Jews themselves, but from among their brothers, i.e. the Ishmaelites. Muhammad , a descendant of Ishmael, is indeed this prophet.

    Also, Isaiah 42:1-13 speaks of the servant of God, His “chosen one” and “messenger” who will bring down a law. “He will not falter or be discouraged till he establishes justice on earth. In his law the islands will put their hope.” (Isaiah 42:4). Verse 11, connects that awaited one with the descendants of Kedar. Who is Kedar? According to Genesis 25:13, Kedar was the second son of Ishmael, the ancestor of the Prophet Muhammad .
    3) God will put His words in the mouth of this prophet:

    The words of God (the Holy Quran) were truly put into Muhammad’s mouth. God sent the Angel Gabriel to teach Muhammad the exact words of God (the Holy Quran) and asked him to dictate them to the people as he heard them. The words are therefore not his own. They did not come from his own thoughts, but were put into his mouth by the Angel Gabriel. During the life time of Muhammad , and under his supervision, these words were then memorized and written by his companions.

    Also, this prophecy in Deuteronomy mentioned that this prophet will speak the words of God in the name of God. If we looked to the Holy Quran, we will find that all its chapters, except Chapter 9, are preceded or begin with the phrase, “In the Name of God, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful.”

    Another indication (other than the prophecy in Deuteronomy) is that Isaiah ties the messenger connected with Kedar with a new song (a scripture in a new language) to be sung to the Lord (Isaiah 42:10-11). This is mentioned more clearly in the prophecy of Isaiah: “and another tongue, will he speak to this people” (Isaiah 28:11 KJV). Another related point, is that the Quran was revealed in sections over a span of twenty-three years. It is interesting to compare this with Isaiah 28 which speaks of the same thing, “For it is: Do and do, do and do, rule on rule, rule on rule; a little here, a little there.” (Isaiah 28:10).

    Note that God has said in the prophecy of Deuteronomy 18, “If anyone does not listen to my words that the prophet speaks in my name, I myself will call him to account.” (Deuteronomy, 18:19). This means that whoever believes in the Bible must believe in what this prophet says, and this prophet is the Prophet Muhammad .

    [I GET THIS FROM ISLAM-GUIDE.COM]

  14. Ben says:

    One thing I wanna stress out, Islam does not teach anyone to drink wine. And ur claim that Islamic Jihad kill innocent is a lie. U are the one who said that. Study what Islam is before u said that. BTW, have u read the whole website of islam-guide.com? better read it, its informatative, it will correct ur misconceptions. . . Let me call u again IDIOT. Who’s had a more strong and clearer reason now, huh?

  15. laycarmelite says:

    Wahaha… Islam champions human rights???? What a lie.
    1. Muslims persecutes Muslims who convert to Christianity. = TRUE
    2. Freedom of religion is not observed in Saudi Arabia. Christians in KSA are forbidden to hold public congregation of their worship. = TRUE

    Does it not occur to him that Islam’s own apostasy law—Islam being the only religion that ensures people remain in its fold by threatening to kill them should they wish to convert to another religion—is a clear substitute for natural appeal?

    You are living a lie.

  16. Ben says:

    @laycarmelite:

    “1. Muslims persecutes Muslims who convert to Christianity. = TRUE”
    —————
    Reply: If those people whom u called “Muslims” persecutes (other) “Muslims” that converts to Christianity, then THEY ARE ‘NOT’ MUSLIMS and THEIR ACT IS NOT ISLAMIC. Are we clear?

    “2. Freedom of religion is not observed in Saudi Arabia. Christians in KSA are forbidden to hold public congregation of their worship. = TRUE”
    —————-
    Reply:
    “If those people there ‘really’ don’t allow freedom of worship in KSA and they (those people u are refering to) forbid public congregations of worship, again, those people there who forbid freedom of worship and public religious congregations, their action is NOT Isalamic. Are we clear, again?

    p/s. waiting for ur reply laycarmelite. muah.

  17. Ben says:

    @laycamelite

    Let me educate u this way. If someone one say that ‘many Christians robs at our village’ . . . what will u say? U will just agree? Of course u won’t. Because stealing is not a Christian act. Got my point now?

    @QMSJr

    On behalf of Catholic faith, how do u expalin what is said in Isaiah 42:1-13? Take ur time, I’m willing to wait ur answers even it will take a year. Honestly. If ur religion has no lies, mistakes, etc. or if it is a true religion from God, then ur religion can answer a critic from ur very Holy(?) Book ~ Bible.

    Also, please visit this site: http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/jim_meritt/bible-contradictions.html

    Its a great one. Chow.

  18. Ben says:

    @all catrholics: I have lots to tell/ask, but my time limits me. Why is it that u doesn’t allow priest to get marry? Zachariah, (father of John the Baptist and husband of Elizabeth) in the Bible, is married priest. If u are really following the Bible’s teaching, then why forbid priest from marrying? If u are really people who follow the Bible, I dare u let the priests marry or removed the TRUTH in the Bible about Zachariah or EDIT it saying Zachariah has no wife (and son) so as to make ur religion less messy. Hahaha.

  19. benmfwnt says:

    x———————-x
    Spam/
    _can u make post about these: (1) Where Do We Came From?, (2) What is the Nature of The Creator? and (3) Criteria for true scripture???

  20. benmfwnt says:

    “Ben,

    I thought before that you wished to prove that Muhammad was the prophet prophesied by the Bible. If the Bible is false when it states that Jesus turned water into wine, how can you be sure that the biblical verses that you use to prove that Muhammad was the prophet are true?” ~ QMSJr

    —————
    Reply:

    1. May I get ur opinion about this: Muhammad in the Bible?

    Refer to this site: http://www.islamicity.org/Mosque/Muhammad_Bible.HTM

    2. The Bible u are all using today is edited. U all cannot deny that. Fortunately, . . . . fortunately, not all of its part suffers, edition, and omission.

    3. We at Islam, reject the claim that Jesus (peace be upon him), make a miracle of turning water into a fine wine. We believe, it is a part of ‘edition.’ Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessing be upon him), said that “Whatever can intoxicate in big amount, so is in small amount.” So Q, avoid drinking alcoholics, that is my personal advise.

    4. I believe that the bible verses I used to proved it did not suffers any edition, just a translation. Got it Q?

  21. benmfwnt says:

    “Ben,

    If I am not mistaken, the Quran teaches that in heaven there will be wine and each man will have virgins to satisfy his lust. If wine is bad, then what can you say of Islam’s heaven?” ~ QMSJr

    ———————

    Reply:

    Please site the verse . . .

  22. benmfwnt says:

    Refer also here:

    http://islamworld.net/docs/Muhammad.in.Bible.html

    And can u give a punto por punto explanation about all?

  23. Quirino M. Sugon Jr says:

    Ben,

    Regarding your 2012/01/03 comment:

    Analogy: you have 10 glasses filled with what looks like water. Your friend drank one of the glasses and he died. Do you think you will still drink one of the nine glasses of water? By the rules of probability, one or all of the glasses would contain poison. Even if only two glasses has poison, but you don’t know which one, there is always a chance that you will be drinking poison instead of pure water.

    In a similar way, if in one page of the Bible, you find an error (‘edition’ in your words), then by the rules of probability the other pages would also contain errors or editions. So if a Muslim chooses a verse in the Bible, there is always a probability that the verse is an error. And if Muslims use that verse to prove that Muhammad is prophesied in the Bible, then the Muslims would have for their basis a verse whose foundations are shaky like sand. As Christ said, do not build a house on sand, because when the rain comes, the floods will come, and the house will be ruined. Rather build your house on solid rock, so that it can weather any storm. (c.f. Mt 7:24-27)

    There are only two choices possible:

    1. Accept the authority and truth of the biblical verses and prove that Muhammad was prophesied by the Bible
    2. Do not use the Bible at all in your proofs for Muhammad.

  24. benmfwnt says:

    Assuming that has no editions/errors (whatever we call it), tell me, is there exist the EXACT copy of the original text even today in its language and letters? (Say Greek, Aramaic or Hebrew language.) So that there will be no excuse for doubts.

    If ur Holy Book (e.i. Bible) is a book ‘inspired’ by God or it is the Word Of God, how would u explain these:

    Bible Contradictions

    http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/jim_meritt/bible-contradictions.html

    As I have told u, not all parts of the bible (the collection of book, in literal meaning), suffers edition.

  25. benmfwnt says:

    Check all these visitors . . . I’m afraid that these will be erased by moderators.

    Bible Contradictions:

    God good to all, or just a few?

    PSA 145:9 The LORD is good to all: and his tender mercies are over all his works.

    JER 13:14 And I will dash them one against another, even the fathers and the sons together, saith the LORD: I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy them.

    [Editor’s note: Some readers have raised an objection to this alleged contradiction. They point out that PSA 145:20 states that The Lord keeps all who love Him, but that He will destroy the wicked. In other words, some see no contradiction between “The Lord is good to all” and JER 13:14. Others contend, however, that even if the Lord destroys the wicked he could do so with compassion, pity, and mercy. Further, there are biblical examples that indicate that the Lord is not necessarily “good” or merciful–even to those who are not wicked. One such example is Job. As one reader points out, “If Psalm 145:9 was not a contradiction of Psalm 145:20 or Jeremiah 13:14, it would read something like this: “The LORD is good to all, except the wicked: and his tender mercies are over all his works, except when He is punishing the wicked.” In any case, the idea that the Lord is good and merciful is contradicted by countless examples in the Bible where God orders the destruction of infants, personally kills David’s infant child, etc.]
    War or Peace?

    EXO 15:3 The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.

    ROM 15:33 Now the God of peace be with you all. Amen.
    Who is the father of Joseph?

    MAT 1:16 And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.

    LUK 3:23 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli.
    Who was at the Empty Tomb? Is it:

    MAT 28:1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.

    MAR 16:1 And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.

    JOH 20:1 The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.
    Is Jesus equal to or lesser than?

    JOH 10:30 I and my Father are one.

    JOH 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
    Which first–beasts or man?

    GEN 1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
    GEN 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

    GEN 2:18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.
    GEN 2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.
    How many stalls and horsemen?

    1KI 4:26 And Solomon had forty thousand stalls of horses for his chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen.

    2CH 9:25 And Solomon had four thousand stalls for horses and chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen; whom he bestowed in the chariot cities, and with the king at Jerusalem.
    Is it folly to be wise or not?

    PRO 4:7 Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom: and with all thy getting get understanding.

    ECC 1:18 For in much wisdom is much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow.

    1CO 1:19: “For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.”
    Human vs. ghostly impregnation

    ACT 2:30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;

    MAT 1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.
    The sins of the father

    ISA 14:21 Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers; that they do not rise, nor possess the land, nor fill the face of the world with cities.

    DEU 24:16 The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin.
    Rabbits do not chew their cud

    LEV 11:6 And the hare, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you.

    “Gerah,” the term which appears in the MT means (chewed) cud, and also perhaps grain, or berry (also a 20th of a sheckel, but I think that we can agree that that is irrelevant here). It does *not* mean dung, and there is a perfectly adequate Hebrew word for that, which could have been used. Furthermore, the phrase translated “chew the cud” in the KJV is more exactly “bring up the cud.” Rabbits do not bring up anything; they let it go all the way through, then eat it again. The description given in Leviticus is inaccurate, and that’s that. Rabbits do eat their own dung; they do not bring anything up and chew on it.
    Snails do not melt

    PSA 58:8 As a snail which melteth, let every one of them pass away: like the untimely birth of a woman, that they may not see the sun.
    Fowl from waters or ground?

    GEN 1:20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
    GEN 1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

    GEN 2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.
    Odd genetics

    GEN 30:39 And the flocks conceived before the rods, and brought forth cattle ringstraked, speckled, and spotted.
    The shape of the earth

    ISA 40:22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:

    MAT 4:8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;

    Astronomical bodies are spherical, and you cannot see the entire exterior surface from anyplace. The kingdoms of Egypt, China, Greece, Crete, sections of Asia Minor, India, Maya (in Mexico), Carthage (North Africa), Rome (Italy), Korea, and other settlements from these kingdoms of the world were widely distributed.
    Snakes, while built low, do not eat dirt

    GEN 3:14 And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:
    Earth supported?

    JOB 26:7 He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing.

    JOB 38:4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
    Heaven supported too

    JOB 26:11 The pillars of heaven tremble and are astonished at his reproof.
    The hydrological cycle

    ECC 1:7 All the rivers run into the sea; yet the sea is not full; unto the place from whence the rivers come, thither they return again.

    JOB 38:22 Hast thou entered into the treasures of the snow? or hast thou seen the treasures of the hail,

    Storehouses are not part of the cycle
    Order of creation

    Here is the order in the first (Genesis 1), the Priestly tradition:

    Day 1: Sky, Earth, light
    Day 2: Water, both in ocean basins and above the sky(!)
    Day 3: Plants
    Day 4: Sun, Moon, stars (as calendrical and navigational aids)
    Day 5: Sea monsters (whales), fish, birds, land animals, creepy-crawlies (reptiles, insects, etc.)
    Day 6: Humans (apparently both sexes at the same time)
    Day 7: Nothing (the Gods took the first day off anyone ever did)

    Note that there are “days,” “evenings,” and “mornings” before the Sun was created. Here, the Deity is referred to as “Elohim,” which is a plural, thus the literal translation, “the Gods.” In this tale, the Gods seem satisfied with what they have done, saying after each step that “it was good.”

    The second one (Genesis 2), the Yahwist tradition, goes:

    Earth and heavens (misty)
    Adam, the first man (on a desolate Earth)
    Plants
    Animals
    Eve, the first woman (from Adam’s rib)

    How orderly were things created?
    #1: Step-by-step. The only discrepancy is that there is no Sun or Moon or stars on the first three “days.”
    #2: God fixes things up as he goes. The first man is lonely, and is not satisfied with animals. God finally creates a woman for him. (funny thing that an omniscient god would forget things)

    How satisfied with creation was he?
    #1: God says “it was good” after each of his labors, and rests on the seventh day, evidently very satisfied.
    #2: God has to fix up his creation as he goes, and he would certainly not be very satisfied with the disobedience of that primordial couple. (funny thing that an omniscient god would forget things)
    Moses’ personality

    NUM 12:3: “Now the man Moses was very meek, above all the men which were upon the fact of the earth.”

    NUM 31:14, 17, 18: “And Moses was wroth…And Moses said unto them, “Have ye saved all the women alive? … Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman, … But all the women children … keep alive for yourselves.”
    Righteous live?

    PSA 92:12: “The righteous shall flourish like the palm tree.”

    ISA 57:1: “The righteous perisheth, and no man layeth it to heart.”

    ACT 1:18: “Now this man (Judas) purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out.”

    MAT 27:5-7: “And he (Judas) cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself. And the chief priests…bought with them the potter’s field.”
    Jesus’ first sermon plain or mount?

    MAT 5:1,2: “And seeing the multitudes, he went up into a mountain: and when he was set, his disciples came unto him: And he opened his mouth, and taught them, saying….”

    LUK 6:17,20: “And he came down with them, and stood in the plain, and the company of his disciples, and a great multitude of people…came to hear him.. And he lifted up his eyes on his disciples and said…”
    Jesus’ last words

    MAT 27:46,50: “And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, “Eli, eli, lama sabachthani?” that is to say, “My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?” …Jesus, when he cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.”

    LUK 23:46: “And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, “Father, unto thy hands I commend my spirit:” and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.”

    JOH 19:30: “When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, “It is finished:” and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.”
    Years of famine

    II SAMUEL 24:13: So God came to David, and told him, and said unto him, shall SEVEN YEARS OF FAMINE come unto thee in thy land? or will thou flee three months before thine enemies, while they pursue. thee?

    I CHRONICLES 21:11: SO God came to David, and said unto him, Thus saith the LORD, Choose thee. Either THREE YEARS OF FAMINE or three months to be destroyed before thy foes, while that the sword of thine enemies overtaketh thee;
    Moved David to anger?

    II SAMUEL 24: And again the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them to say, Go, number Israel and Judah.

    I CHRONICLES 21: And SATAN stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel.
    The GENEALOGY OF JESUS?

    In two places in the New Testament the genealogy of Jesus son of Mary is mentioned. MAT 1:6-16 and LUK 3:23-31. Each gives the ancestors of Joseph the CLAIMED husband of Mary and Step father of Jesus. The first one starts from Abraham(verse 2) all the way down to Jesus. The second one from Jesus all the way back to Adam. The only common name to these two lists between David and Jesus is JOSEPH, How can this be true? and also How can Jesus have a genealogy when all Muslims and most Christians believe that Jesus had/has no father.
    God be seen?

    EXO 24:9,10; AMO 9:1; GEN 26:2; and JOH 14:9
    God CAN be seen:
    “And I will take away my hand, and thou shalt see my backparts.” (EXO 33:23)
    “And the Lord spake to Moses face to face, as a man speaketh to his friend.” (EXO 33:11)
    “For I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.” (GEN 32:30)

    God CANNOT be seen:
    “No man hath seen God at any time.” (JOH 1:18)
    “And he said, Thou canst not see my face; for there shall no man see me and live.” (EXO 33:20)
    “Whom no man hath seen nor can see.” (1TIM 6:16)
    CRUEL, UNMERCIFUL, DESTRUCTIVE, and FEROCIOUS or KIND, MERCIFUL, and GOOD:

    “I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy.” (JER 13:14) “Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not, but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling.”

    “The Lord is very pitiful and of tender mercy.” (JAS 5:11)
    “For his mercy endureth forever.” (1CH 16:34)
    “The Lord is good to all, and his tender mercies are over all his works.” (PSA 145:9)
    “God is love.” (1JO 4:16)
    Tempts?

    “And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham.” (GEN 22:1)

    “Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God; for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man.” (JAS 1:13)
    Judas died how?

    “And he cast down the pieces of silver into the temple and departed, and went out and hanged himself.” (MAT 27:5)

    “And falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all of his bowels gushed out.” (ACT 1:18)
    Ascend to heaven

    “And Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.” (2KI 2:11)

    “No man hath ascended up to heaven but he that came down from heaven, … the Son of Man.” (JOH 3:13)
    What was Jesus’ prediction regarding Peter’s denial?

    Before the cock crow – MAT 26:34

    Before the cock crow twice – MAR 14:30
    How many times did the cock crow?

    MAR 14:72 And the second time the cock crew. And Peter called to mind the word that Jesus said unto him, Before the cock crow twice, thou shalt deny me thrice. And when he thought thereon, he wept.

    MAT 26:74 Then began he to curse and to swear, saying, I know not the man. And immediately the cock crew.
    MAT 26:75 And Peter remembered the word of Jesus, which said unto him, Before the cock crow, thou shalt deny me thrice. And he went out, and wept bitterly.

    LUK 22:60 And Peter said, Man, I know not what thou sayest. And immediately, while he yet spake, the cock crew.
    LUK 22:61 And the Lord turned, and looked upon Peter. And Peter remembered the word of the Lord, how he had said unto him, Before the cock crow, thou shalt deny me thrice.

    JOH 13:38 Jesus answered him, Wilt thou lay down thy life for my sake? Verily, verily, I say unto thee, The cock shall not crow, still thou hast denied me thrice.

    JOH 18:27 Peter then denied again: and immediately the cock crew.
    How many beatitudes in the Sermon on the Mount

    MAT 5:3 Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
    MAT 5:4 Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.
    MAT 5:5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.
    MAT 5:6 Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.
    MAT 5:7 Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.
    MAT 5:8 Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.
    MAT 5:9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.
    MAT 5:10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness’ sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
    MAT 5:11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.

    LUK 6:20 And he lifted up his eyes on his disciples, and said, Blessed be ye poor: for yours is the kingdom of God.
    LUK 6:21 Blessed are ye that hunger now: for ye shall be filled. Blessed are ye that weep now: for ye shall laugh.
    LUK 6:22 Blessed are ye, when men shall hate you, and when they shall separate you from their company, and shall reproach you, and cast out your name as evil, for the Son of man’s sake.
    LUK 6:23 Rejoice ye in that day, and leap for joy: for, behold, your reward is great in heaven: for in the like manner did their fathers unto the prophets.
    Does every man sin?

    1KI 8:46 If they sin against thee, (for there is no man that sinneth not,) and thou be angry with them, and deliver them to the enemy, so that they carry them away captives unto the land of the enemy, far or near;

    2CH 6:36 If they sin against thee, (for there is no man which sinneth not,) and thou be angry with them, and deliver them over before their enemies, and they carry them away captives unto a land far off or near;

    PRO 20:9 Who can say, I have made my heart clean, I am pure from my sin?

    ECC 7:20 For there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not.

    JO1 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
    JO1 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
    JO1 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

    JO1 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
    Who bought potter’s field

    ACT 1:18 Now this man purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out.
    ACT 1:19 And it was known unto all the dwellers at Jerusalem; insomuch as that field is called in their proper tongue, Aceldama, that is to say, The field of blood.

    MAT 27:6 And the chief priests took the silver pieces, and said, It is not lawful for to put them into the treasury, because it is the price of blood.
    MAT 27:7 And they took counsel, and bought with them the potter’s field, to bury strangers in.
    MAT 27:8 Wherefore that field was called, The field of blood, unto this day.
    Who prophesied the potter’s field?

    MAT 27:9-10 (mentions Jeremy but no such verse in Jeremiah) is in Zechariah 11:12-13
    Who bears guilt?

    GAL 6:2 Bear ye one another’s burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.

    GAL 6:5 For every man shall bear his own burden.
    Do you answer a fool?

    PRO 26:4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.

    PRO 26:5 Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit.
    How many children did Michal, the daughter of Saul, have?

    2SA 6:23 Therefore Michal the daughter of Saul had no child unto the day of her death.

    2SA 21:8 But the king took the two sons of Rizpah the daughter of Aiah, whom she bare unto Saul, Armoni and Mephibosheth; and the five sons of Michal the daughter of Saul, whom she brought up for Adriel the son of Barzillai the Meholathite:
    How old was Jehoiachin when he began to reign?

    2KI 24:8 Jehoiachin was eighteen years old when he began to reign, and he reigned in Jerusalem three months. And his mother’s name was Nehushta, the daughter of Elnathan of Jerusalem.

    2CH 36:9 Jehoiachin was eight years old when he began to reign, and he reigned three months and ten days in Jerusalem: and he did that which was evil in the sight of the LORD.
    Marriage?

    Proverbs 18:22
    1 Corinthians 7 (whole book. See 1,2,27,39,40)
    Did those with Saul/Paul at his conversion hear a voice?

    ACT 9:7 And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice, but seeing no man.

    ACT 22:9 And they that were with me saw indeed the light, and were afraid; but they heard not the voice of him that spake to me.
    Where was Jesus three days after his baptism?

    MAR 1:12 And immediately the spirit driveth him into the wilderness.

    JOH 1:35 Again the next day after John stood, and two of his disciples;

    (various traipsings)
    How many apostles were in office between the resurrection and ascension?

    1 Corinthians 15:5 (12)
    MAT 27:3-5 (minus one from 12)
    ACT 1:9-26 (Mathias not elected until after resurrection)

    MAT 28:16 Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them.
    Judging

    1 Cor 2:15 “The spiritual man makes judgments about all things, but he himself is not subject to any man’s judgment:” (NIV)

    1 Cor 4:5 “Therefore judge nothing before the appointed time; wait till the Lord comes. He will bring to light what is hidden in darkness and will expose the motives of men’s hearts. At that time each will receive his praise from God.”
    Good deeds

    Matt 5:16 “In the same way, let your light shine before men, that they may see your good deeds and praise your Father in heaven.” (NIV)

    Matt 6:3-4 “But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.” (NIV)
    For or against?

    MAT 12:30 He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.
    (default is against)

    MAR 9:40 For he that is not against us is on our part.
    (default is for)

    LUK 9:50 And Jesus said unto him, Forbid him not: for he that is not against us is for us.
    (default is for)
    Whom did they see at the tomb?

    MAT 28:2 And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it.
    MAT 28:3 His countenance was like lightning, and his raiment white as snow:
    MAT 28:4 And for fear of him the keepers did shake, and became as dead men.
    MAT 28:5 And the angel answered and said unto the women, Fear not ye: for I know that ye seek Jesus, which was crucified.

    MAR 16:5 And entering into the sepulchre, they saw a young man sitting on the right side, clothed in a long white garment; and they were affrighted.

    LUK 24:4 And it came to pass, as they were much perplexed thereabout, behold, two men stood by them in shining garments:

    JOH 20:12 And seeth two angels in white sitting, the one at the head, and the other at the feet, where the body of Jesus had lain.
    God change?

    MAL 3:6
    JAS 1:17
    1SA 15:29
    JON 3:10
    GEN 6:6
    Destruction of cities (what said was jeremiah was zechariah)

    MAT 27:9 Then was fulfilled that which was spoken by Jeremy the prophet, saying, And they took the thirty pieces of silver, the price of him that was valued, whom they of the children of Israel did value;

    ZEC 11:11-13 (Note: There is nothing in Jeremiah remotely like this.)
    Who’s sepulchers

    ACT 7:16
    GEN 23:17,18
    Strong drink?

    PRO 31:6,7
    JOH 2:11-11
    When second coming?

    MAT 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

    MAR 13:30 Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done.

    LUK 21:32 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled.

    (See also 1TH 4:15-18)
    Solomon’s overseers

    1KI 9:23 550
    2CH 8:10 250
    The mother of Abijah:

    2CH 11:20 Maachah the daughter of Absalom

    2CH 13:2 Michaiah the daughter of Uriel
    When did Baasha die?

    1KI 16:6-8 26th year of the reign of Asa

    2CH 16:1 36th year of the reign of Asa
    How old was Ahaziah when he began to reign?

    2KI 8:26 22

    2CH 22:2 42
    The differences in the census figures of Ezra and Nehemiah.
    What was the color of the robe placed on Jesus during his trial?

    MAT 27:28 scarlet

    JOH 19:2 purple
    What did they give him to drink?

    MAT 27:34 vinegar

    MAR 15:23 wine with myrrh
    How long was Jesus in the tomb?

    Depends where you look; MAT 12:40 gives Jesus prophesying that he will spend “three days and three nights in the heart of the earth,” and MAR 10:34 has “after three days (meta treis emeras) he will rise again.” As far as I can see from a quick look, the prophecies have “after three days,” but the post-Resurrection narratives have “on the third day.”

  26. benmfwnt says:

    Assuming there is no “mistakes/errors/editions/ommissions” (that you all Christians are claiming) in the BIBLE and with the above CLEAR CONTRADICTIONS FROM THE BIBLE, what can u say Mr QMSJr?

    ——————

    I pity you all.

    XD..

  27. benmfwnt says:

    _it feels like I’m messing here. . . QMSJr, seems like u are avoiding my questions in ur own post here:

    https://monkshobbit.wordpress.com/2011/12/14/on-salvation-and-the-good-works-of-non-catholics/

    _i’m waiting for ur positive reply, but seems like u are avoiding. wew!

  28. Quirino M. Sugon Jr says:

    Ben,

    Unlike the Quran, the Bible is a collection of books and not a single book from the time of the Moses to the time of the Apostles. It contains stories by different authors in different writing styles and genres: poems, histories, proverbs, parables, lists, etc. Compared to the Quran which was written only during the lifetime of Muhammad, the Bible was written on the span of a few thousands of years. Unlike Muhammad, the authors of the books of the Bible have really seen and heard Moses, the Prophets, the Apostles, and Christ Himself. These are first-hand accounts which are valuable witnesses of the events in present legal courts.

    The Jews–the descendants of Judah, the son of Isaac, the son of Abraham–wrote and collected the books in the Old Testament, and this happened long before Muhammad was born. The Christians wrote and collected the books in the New Testament. There are many books published and the problem is which of these are inspired by God. For example, there is the Gospel of Peter and the Gospel of Thomas. Should these also be included in the Bible simply because they are titled as Gospels? It is the Catholic Church which decided what books should be part of the Bible and that happened in the year 382 in the Council of Rome. Under the guidance of the Holy Spirit, the Catholic Church declares that the Catholic Bible is an inspired word of God free from doctrinal errors. In case of typographical errors and the correct interpretation of Biblical verses–for there are verses that are difficult to understand–it is the Catholic Church which pronounces judgment on these matters. As Christ promised to his apostles, “Amen, I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.” (Mt 18:18)

    Anybody can read the Constitution and debate endlessly on the meaning of the words and articles, but it is the Supreme Court which decides with finality what is the correct interpretation of the Constitution. In a similar way, anybody can read the Bible and debate on the interpretation of its verses endlessly, but it is the Catholic Church which decides with finality what is the correct interpretation of the Bible; those who disobey the interpretation of the Church are heretics and schismatics. Anybody can also read the Quran and decide for themselves their own interpretations. But since there is no Pan-Islamic Body like the Catholic Church which decides the correct interpretation of the Quran, the Quran’s verses were used by terrorists to kill noncombatant Christians and Jews in global Jihad. So when you say that these terrorist acts are un-Islamic, your words are meaningless because you are not the proper authority to say so, because there is no Higher Muslim Authority who say so, who condemns such atrocious acts.

  29. benmfwnt says:

    To QMSJr,

    * Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) is NOT the author of the Qur’an. God commanded Gabriel (the angel) to teach His words to Muhammad (pbuh). Be have no doubt as you a believe the way an angel spoke to Mary that she would give birth to Jesus (pbuh). It doesn’t matter if the revelation is thru an angel or thru God Himself. (Do u know why there are only 5 obligatory prayers in Islam, not 50? Read it, Muhammad has spoken with God).

    * “There are many books published and the problem is which of these are inspired by God.”

    _Then why still continue using if you have doubts which of them are inspired by God? Let us, for a while, disregard many CLEAR CONTRADICTIONS found in the Bible. In some of your post, where I stressed out the prophecy of the coming of Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) and I said that the Bible suffers editions, omissions, addition/subtractions; you said that I’m proving something wherein I’m saying that Bible has suffered ‘editions’ which leads to ‘errors.’ And there is a probability that I am wrong, something like that. Let me return you the same words. On all the books that you are using, it only means that there is a probability that even a single book out of all, or a single verse, IS NOT INSPIRED BY GOD. Again, why continue using? Huh?

    **”Under the guidance of the Holy Spirit, the Catholic Church declares that the Catholic Bible is an inspired word of God free from doctrinal errors. In case of typographical errors and the correct interpretation of Biblical verses–for there are verses that are difficult to understand–it is the Catholic Church which pronounces judgment on these matters.”

    _So one of the Three guides you ~ the Holy Spirit, not all of the Three. Bible is an INSPIRED WORD OF GOD. If you problems with interpretation, I suggest, personally, to STICK WITH THE ORIGINAL TEXT.

    _I the Last Prophet’s (pbuh) sermon, he (pbuh) told us to stick with the two ~ the Holy Qur’an and his (pbuh) Sunna. The Qur’an was a REVEALED words of the Creator. The Creator assures us the He will protect it from any corruptions. That is why it was still preserved the way it was until today and even until the end of the world. However, on the case of Sunna, there are many hadith (collection of what Prophet Muhammad, pbuh, has said, did or approved of). Luckily, it can be easily detected by Ulamas and scholars who were very familiar with the Hadiths.

    ***” Anybody can also read the Qur’an and decide for themselves their own interpretations. But since there is no Pan-Islamic Body like the Catholic Church which decides the correct interpretation of the Qur’an, the Qur’an’s verses were used by terrorists to kill noncombatant Christians and Jews in global Jihad. So when you say that these terrorist acts are un-Islamic, your words are meaningless because you are not the proper authority to say so, because there is no Higher Muslim Authority who say so, who condemns such atrocious acts.”

    _If the Qur’an is interpreted/translated, keep in mind that is is JUST AN INTERPRETATION/TRANSLATION. The Qur’an is in Arabic.

    _Terrorism has no place in Islam. I wonder why are associating it to terrorism: Islam, does not teach/command terrorism.

    _Jihad is not a terrorism act. It is NOT an act of the Jihadists.

    _Yes, I said that those terrorist acts are NOT Islamic. If those terrorist you are referring to uses some verses in the Qur’an, it doesn’t mean that it will be Islamic. Idiot. They are TERRORISTS, NOT ISLAMIC/QUR”ANIC GROUP. Idiot.

    _My words are not meaningless. It is just your mind which is NOT a broad-minded. (I’m avoiding to tag you as IDIOT again but you prompt me to.)

    _There is no such thing as ‘proper authority’ when it comes to that issue, anybody can condemn that, even a 7-year-old can express that. You and me condemns that terrorism.

    _Again, terrorism is not an Islamic act. There is no such thing as Muslim Terrorists also or Islamic Terrorist. Likewise, there is no such thing as Christian Terrorists because Jesus (peace be upon him) and his God, did not teach/command terrorism.

    :-)

  30. benmfwnt says:

    What Does Islam Say about Terrorism?

    Islam, a religion of mercy, does not permit terrorism. In the Quran, God has said:

    God does not forbid you from showing kindness and dealing justly with those who have not fought you about religion and have not driven you out of your homes. God loves just dealers. (Quran, 60:8)

    The Prophet Muhammad used to prohibit soldiers from killing women and children,1 and he would advise them: {…Do not betray, do not be excessive, do not kill a newborn child.}2 And he also said: {Whoever has killed a person having a treaty with the Muslims shall not smell the fragrance of Paradise, though its fragrance is found for a span of forty years.}3

    Also, the Prophet Muhammad has forbidden punishment with fire.4

    He once listed murder as the second of the major sins,5 and he even warned that on the Day of Judgment, {The first cases to be adjudicated between people on the Day of Judgment will be those of bloodshed.6}7

    Muslims are even encouraged to be kind to animals and are forbidden to hurt them. Once the Prophet Muhammad said: {A woman was punished because she imprisoned a cat until it died. On account of this, she was doomed to Hell. While she imprisoned it, she did not give the cat food or drink, nor did she free it to eat the insects of the earth.}8

    He also said that a man gave a very thirsty dog a drink, so God forgave his sins for this action. The Prophet was asked, “Messenger of God, are we rewarded for kindness towards animals?” He said: {There is a reward for kindness to every living animal or human.}9

    Additionally, while taking the life of an animal for food, Muslims are commanded to do so in a manner that causes the least amount of fright and suffering possible. The Prophet Muhammad said: {When you slaughter an animal, do so in the best way. One should sharpen his knife to reduce the suffering of the animal.}10

    In light of these and other Islamic texts, the act of inciting terror in the hearts of defenseless civilians, the wholesale destruction of buildings and properties, the bombing and maiming of innocent men, women, and children are all forbidden and detestable acts according to Islam and the Muslims. Muslims follow a religion of peace, mercy, and forgiveness, and the vast majority have nothing to do with the violent events some have associated with Muslims. If an individual Muslim were to commit an act of terrorism, this person would be guilty of violating the laws of Islam.

    Human Rights and Justice in Islam

    Islam provides many human rights for the individual. The following are some of these human rights that Islam protects.

    The life and property of all citizens in an Islamic state are considered sacred, whether a person is Muslim or not. Islam also protects honor. So, in Islam, insulting others or making fun of them is not allowed. The Prophet Muhammad said: {Truly your blood, your property, and your honor are inviolable.}1

    Racism is not allowed in Islam, for the Quran speaks of human equality in the following terms:

    O mankind, We have created you from a male and a female and have made you into nations and tribes for you to know one another. Truly, the noblest of you with God is the most pious.2 Truly, God is All-Knowing, All-Aware. (Quran, 49:13)

    Islam rejects certain individuals or nations being favored because of their wealth, power, or race. God created human beings as equals who are to be distinguished from each other only on the basis of their faith and piety. The Prophet Muhammad said: {O people! Your God is one and your forefather (Adam) is one. An Arab is not better than a non-Arab and a non-Arab is not better than an Arab, and a red (i.e. white tinged with red) person is not better than a black person and a black person is not better than a red person,3 except in piety.}4

    One of the major problems facing mankind today is racism. The developed world can send a man to the moon but cannot stop man from hating and fighting his fellow man. Ever since the days of the Prophet Muhammad , Islam has provided a vivid example of how racism can be ended. The annual pilgrimage (Hajj) to Makkah shows the real Islamic brotherhood of all races and nations, when about two million Muslims from all over the world come to Makkah to perform the pilgrimage.

    Islam is a religion of justice. God has said:

    Truly God commands you to give back trusts to those to whom they are due, and when you judge between people, to judge with justice…. (Quran, 4:58)

    And He has said:

    …And act justly. Truly, God loves those who are just. (Quran, 49:9)

    We should even be just with those who we hate, as God has said:

    …And let not the hatred of others make you avoid justice. Be just: that is nearer to piety…. (Quran, 5:8)

    The Prophet Muhammad said: {People, beware of injustice,5 for injustice shall be darkness on the Day of Judgment.}6

    And those who have not gotten their rights (i.e. what they have a just claim to) in this life will receive them on the Day of Judgment, as the Prophet said: {On the Day of Judgment, rights will be given to those to whom they are due (and wrongs will be redressed)…}7

    from islam-guide.com

  31. benmfwnt says:

    Let us grant the fact that you believe in what the Bible teaches, that you condemn terrorism, can you define if these few Bible lines belong or not.

    “Do not allow a sorceress to live. Anyone who has sexual relations with an animal must be put to death. Whoever sacrifices to any god other than the LORD must be destroyed. Exodus 22:18-20

    “This is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says: ‘each man strap a sword to his side. Go back and forth through the camp from one end to the other, each killing his brother and friend and neighbor.’ The Levites did as Moses commanded and that day about three thousand of the people died.” Exodus 32:27-28

    “The LORD said to Moses, ‘Take vengeance on the Midianites for the Israelites…. The Israelites captured the Midianite women and children and took all the Midianite herds, flocks and goods as plunder. They burned all the towns where the Midianites had settled, as well as all their camps…. (Moses ordered) “Now kill all the boys. And kill every women who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.” Numbers 31: 1-18

    (Jesus said) “But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them – bring them here and kill them in front of me.” Luke 19:27

    “He (Jesus) said to them, ‘But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.” Luke 22:36

    (Naks, mamamatay-tao din pala si Moises noong araw?)

  32. benmfwnt says:

    http://iiie.net/index.php?q=node/43

    http://iiie.net/index.php?q=node/33

    Try to visit these. QMSJr, I once promised you about the explanation of Jihad. I hope that these two will do. Salamat.

  33. Quirino M. Sugon Jr says:

    Ben,

    The proper mode of dialogue is to make a point and wait for the other person to reply. Giving several points all at once and expect me to address each one of them is not proper. Or giving several replies for each of my reply is not also proper. A shotgun argument is only for those who cannot shoot straight to the point. We need to focus. And at least show some respect to the person you are in dialogue with. Calling the other “Idiot” or showing exasperation with “Whew!” reflects on your personality. Remember, you are a Muslim, and whatever you say and do reflects to the goodness or badness of the Muslim Faith. Now, which of all your points do you wish me to answer first?

  34. benmfwnt says:

    all of the points. punto por punto. you can post it by topic.

    like about the bible contradictions, about jihad/terrorism, etc.

    point by point, QMSJr.

    Got it?

  35. Quirino M. Sugon Jr says:

    Ben,

    Please choose one point and let us focus on it.

  36. benmfwnt says:

    Ok. I will post points in order. But please don’t include it here. One post for every point.

    1. Bible Contradictions. (Examples are listed here.)
    http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/jim_meritt/bible-contradictions.html

    2. Regarding your reply to ivan misoto, in this very topic, with the following lines,

    “Muhammad who treated Jews and Christians as enemies to be killed without compassion, or taxed to death until they convert to Islam. The fruit of Muhammad is the Jihadists who kill even innocent civilians.”

    Can you elaborate this?

    3. Where Do We Came From?

    4. What is the Nature of God?

    5. What Are The Criteria For The True Scripture?

    6. Who is the Prophet in John 1:19-21?

    7. In Isaiah 42:1-13 speaks of the servant of God, His “chosen one” and “messenger” who will bring down a law. “He will not falter or be discouraged till he establishes justice on earth. In his law the islands will put their hope.” (Isaiah 42:4). Verse 11, connects that awaited one with the descendants of Kedar. Who is Kedar? According to Genesis 25:13, Kedar was the second son of Ishmael, who is he?

    8. You told me earlier that it was Jesus was the Prophet like Moses in Deuteronomy 18:18-19, is the descriptions really fit to Jesus? Please elaborate.

    Deuteronomy 18:18-19

    King James Version (KJV)

    ” I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.

    And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.”

    9. Where is the place called Paran? Who is the Holy One from Paran according to Habakkuk 3:3?

    10. Is there any big deal to you if the revelation of the Qur’an is thru Gabriel and not directly from God?
    (This is my question for that you haven’t answered when I reply/comment on your other post earlier.)

    You said, I’ll chose one point, well, for s while, just pick one in the list. Let us just tackle the rest later. Or you can make all in one time. Actually I have more, but for now, just pick one in the order.

    :-)

  37. benmfwnt says:

    i miss this page. :-)

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