Was Jesus forsaken by God on the cross? A study of Psalm 22

QUESTION:

Posted by Ben on September 17, 2011 at 11:43 am

btw, what can explain about the ‘man-on-the-cross’ (e.i. Jesus — according to you who believe it was him) has said:

*”Now from the sixth hour there was darkness over all the land unto the ninth hour.

* And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?”

– Matthew 27:45-46

imagine this —>>> Jesus was forsaken by God! Huhuwahuwahahahaha! can’t help my self but —- Laugh Out Loud! hwahahahahaha! :-)

RESPONSE:

 Quirino M. Sugon Jr on September 17, 2011 at 7:50 pm

Ben,

Jesus is speaking the words in Psalm 22:

“My God, my God, why have you abandoned me? Why so far from my call for help, from my cries of anguish?” (Ps 22:2)

If you read the psalm carefully, you will see how the psalm describes the suffering of Christ:

But I am a worm, hardly human, scorned by everyone, despised by the people. 8 All who see me mock me; they curl their lips and jeer; they shake their heads at me: 9 “You relied on the LORD–let him deliver you; if he loves you, let him rescue you.” (Ps 22:7-9)

This is fulfilled when the following verse of Matthew 27:

Those passing by reviled him, shaking their heads 40 r and saying, “You who would destroy the temple and rebuild it in three days, save yourself, if you are the Son of God, [and] come down from the cross!”41 Likewise the chief priests with the scribes and elders mocked him and said,42 “He saved others; he cannot save himself. So he is the king of Israel!* Let him come down from the cross now, and we will believe in him. 43 * s He trusted in God; let him deliver him now if he wants him. For he said, ‘I am the Son of God.’” (Mt 27:39-43)

Here’s another verse that describes his ordeal as he hung on the cross:

Like water my life drains away; all my bones grow soft. My heart has become like wax, it melts away within me. 16 5 As dry as a potsherd is my throat; my tongue sticks to my palate; you lay me in the dust of death. 17 Many dogs surround me; a pack of evildoers closes in on me. So wasted are my hands and feet 18 that I can count all my bones. (Ps 22:15-18)

His garments were divided by lots as predicted by the Psalm:

19 They divide my garments among them; for my clothing they cast lots. (Ps 22:19)
After they had crucified him, they divided his garments* by casting lots;36 then they sat down and kept watch over him there. (Mt 27:25-26)

You can laugh out loud, but the Psalm does not end in death, but in a prayer of hope for God’s deliverance:

“You who fear the LORD, give praise! All descendants of Jacob, give honor; show reverence, all descendants of Israel!25 7 For God has not spurned or disdained the misery of this poor wretch, Did not turn away from me, but heard me when I cried out. (Ps 22:24-25)

In the end, Christ rose from the dead in the fulfillment of Scriptures.

About Quirino M. Sugon Jr
Theoretical Physicist in Manila Observatory

8 Responses to Was Jesus forsaken by God on the cross? A study of Psalm 22

  1. Oh, Quirino, thank you very much for this loving answer to the question so rudely put. Our Faith is so –deep, so opposite to course, shallow interpretations of life, including how to respond to the inevitable suffering, and the awful psychological suffering of abandonment. That Christ showed us how to triumph over the most profoundly dark circumstances is why I love Him, and need Him. You have reminded me of it.

  2. Ben says:

    And what do ‘ur God’ wants to teach/show to us about abandoning his ‘son’ . . . asking why he was abandoned? and if that man on the cross was really powerful, and fit to be also called as son of god and god (also), he will not let himself put on a shameful situation like being put on the cross and be laugh at. HE IS NOT FIT TO BE THE GOD OR EVEN TO BE A GOD.

    Let me return u this:

    ““You who fear the LORD, give praise! All descendants of Jacob, give honor; show reverence, all descendants of Israel!” – – –

    ~You who fear God (Allah), worship Him . . . . alone. Don’t be blasphemous by worshiping others and ascribing partners along with Him. Remember He created you. Let us just worship the Creator.

  3. torontonian says:

    What better way has an almighty being to demonstrate, in human terms, with my limited understanding, that He really cares for me than to walk in my shoes then die for me? With my human faults, it is not as convincing if it were done any other way.

    Here’ an analogy. Being only human, I would not be convinced that superman knows what it’s like for a human to be shot unless he becomes human then was shot.

    Also, we can’t equate God’s willingness to suffer as weakness. That would be judging God in human terms. It is more of a sign of greatness to be humble than to brag, to overcome suffering than to avoid it, and to earn love than to demand it.

    Torontonian
    h my limited understanding, that He really cares for me than to walk in my shoes then die for me? With my human faults, it is not as convincing if it were done any other way.

    Here’ an analogy. Being only human, I would not be convinced that superman knows what it’s like for a human to be shot unless he becomes human then was shot.

    Also, we can’t equate God’s willingness to suffer as weakness. That would be judging God in human terms. It is more of a sign of greatness to be humble than to brag, to overcome suffering than to avoid it, and to earn love than to demand it.

    Torontonian

  4. Quirino M. Sugon Jr says:

    Ben,

    Jesus, our Lord and Savior, knows suffering so he is with us in our sufferings. Christ teaches us to offer our sufferings to God. The only way to heaven is the path laid out by Christ: to carry one’s cross and come after him. “Whoever does not carry his own cross and come after me cannot be my disciple” (Lk 14:27)

    The strength of a man is measured by how he faces death. Christ could come down from the cross, yet he didn’t out of obedience to the will of the Father:

    “After withdrawing about a stone’s throw from them and kneeling, he prayed,a 42saying, “Father, if you are willing, take this cup away from me; still, not my will but yours be done.”b *[43And to strengthen him an angel from heaven appeared to him. 44He was in such agony and he prayed so fervently that his sweat became like drops of blood falling on the ground.]” (Lk 22:41)

    Question 1: Is a suicide bomber’s death acceptable–even if he kills many people–if it is done in the name of Allah?

    Question 2: Is Jesus’ death on the cross acceptable–even if he saves many people from their sins–if it is done in obedience to God?

  5. Ben says:

    QMSJr: Question 1: Is a suicide bomber’s death acceptable – even if he kills many people–if it is done in the name of Allah?

    ~U are misguided, QMSJr. Probably u are referring to Jihad. But i think, even the very meaning of Jihad is not clear to u. Killing is permitted in Islam, as long that it satisfies certain requirements. Unfortunately, i have lack of knowledge of all those requirements. But initially, it starts with our very selves, family, community, nation. I don not have enough time to share this with u, but, initially, visit this site:

    http://www.islam-guide.com/frm-ch3-11.htm

    for an initial info about what u probably pointing to.

    Question 2: Is Jesus’ death on the cross acceptable–even if he saves many people from their sins–if it is done in obedience to God?

    *Is Jesus’ death on the cross acceptable?

    ~Nope, it is NOT.

    **even if he saves many people from their sins?

    ~NOT.

    ***if it is done in obedience to God?

    God need ‘someone’ to die for many’s sin? If yes, then he is not capable of being GOD. He is not a merciful one by putting someone on the cross for their sin. He is an unfair god.

    ———————————–

    ~About ur 1st question, i will further provide u more infos. I will update if I have a time. Thank u to both of u. Magandang araw.

  6. Ben says:

    i don’t have enough time as of now.

    just look at this one here for the moment:

  7. Quirino M. Sugon Jr says:

    Ben,

    That picture was a highly informative response. You have written a thousand words by posting one picture. Thank you for taking your time to provide the link.

  8. Quirino M. Sugon Jr says:

    Ben,

    I am glad you wish to study more the reasons in Islam behind suicide bombing even if it they kill noncombatants. You may be interested to know about the Catholic Christian tradition on warfare against noncombatants:

    Peace of God:

    The Peace of God or Pax Dei was a proclamation issued by local clergy that granted immunity from violence to noncombatants who could not defend themselves, beginning with the peasants (agricolae) and the clergy. A limited pax Dei was decreed at the Synod of Charroux in 989 and spread to most of Western Europe over the next century,[4] surviving in some form until at least the thirteenth century.

    Truce of God:

    The Truce of God or Treuga Dei extended the Peace by setting aside certain days of the year when violence was not allowed. Where the Peace of God prohibited violence against the church and the poor, the Truce of God was more focused on preventing violence between Christians, specifically between knights. It became a convention among the seigneurs of Roussillon and Catalonia and was first proclaimed in 1027 at the Council of Toulouges— a town of Roussillon — which was presided over by Oliba, bishop of Vic, the first notable patron of the movement. An initial ban on fighting on Sundays and holy days was extended to include all of Lent, and even the Friday of every week.

    Read more in Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peace_and_Truce_of_God

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