Catholic Faith Defenders in Bacolod City to debate with Iglesia ni Cristo apologists in University of St. La Salle Coliseum

This is a translation of Cenon Bibe’s post in Tumbukin Natin:

Praise be to God!

This is the fulfillment of what we have been waiting for.  Our friends in the Catholic Faith Defenders, Bacolod Chapter, has responded.  This is their post:

“Okay!  No problem with the debate brother.  I would like to debate Ramil Parba or Ventilacion on the topic, One True Church or on the Divinity of Christ.  Debate venue: University of St. La Salle Coliseum.  Thank you!  God bless us all!”

Thanks to our  friends in Catholic Faith Deferders.  Praise be to Christ!  Praise be to God!

Attention mr. Wilbert Nunez, Joseph Cristobal, Chito Fejer, Hector Caday, et al.  Please advice your Central because we are now set.    We shall await your reply.

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About Quirino M. Sugon Jr
Theoretical Physicist in Manila Observatory

35 Responses to Catholic Faith Defenders in Bacolod City to debate with Iglesia ni Cristo apologists in University of St. La Salle Coliseum

  1. conrad says:

    Really? another debate? Is this going to be like that debate with Mr Wendell Talibong wherein he altered his bible to say “Roman Catholic church”? too funny. It’s on youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMx9IiIYrvg

  2. SimplyCatholic says:

    Malamang taga kultong iglesia ng mga manalo ka Condrad..matagal na naming hinamon ang mga kasama mo na ipost ang buong video nang masuri ang katotohanan,,gang ngayon wala hehehe..Funny but true, one of your doctrines is to spread lies..Just like your god who is capable of lying :)..

  3. reichengel says:

    hello bro,

    do you know where i can get a copy of “the power and the glory: the cult of manalo” by ross tipon? the manalistas tried to ban this book sometime in 2005. they even threatened “civil unrest” if the book get published.

    thanks in advance.

  4. formink says:

    i heard la solidaridad, a bookstore near robinsons place padre faura manila is selling this book . i really want to get a copy but unfortunately i am still out of the country. pls find time to get this book and let me know kung meron pa mabibili. thanks a lot

  5. Florante Sioson says:

    Where can I get this book, The Power and Glory by Ross Tipon?

  6. MONMON says:

    Kailan naman ang Debate na to for sure lam ko na kung sino mananalo dito..

  7. Quirino M. Sugon Jr says:

    Hindi natuloy. Hindi tinanggap ng INC na magdebate sa Bacolod.

  8. Humility says:

    @reichengel :

    About the book,
    The INC filed a TRO against it [ROFL]

    http://jesus-messiah.com/html/ross-tipon.html

  9. virgie toledo says:

    I believe that there should be unity, understanding and love among Christians with regards to faith that we believe in, after all there is only one true God. But, It is written in the Catholic church doctrine, “It maintains that it is the “ONE, HOLY, CATHOLIC AND APOSTOLIC CHURCH FOUNDED BY JESUS CHRIST,… ALTHOUGH IT ALSO BELIEVES THAT THE HOLY SPIRIT CAN MAKE USE OF OTHER CHRISTIAN COMMUNITIES TO BRING PEOPLE TO SALVATION AND THAT IT IS CALLED TO WORK FOR UNITY AMONG CHRISTIANS.

  10. Jojo says:

    Ganun po ba, sana naman ay huwag palitan ng mga catholic faith defenders ang mga verse ng bible para lang palitawin na ang roman catholic church ay nasa Bible…

  11. jun says:

    “I believe that there should be unity, understanding and love among Christians with regards to faith that we believe in, after all there is only one true God. But, It is written in the Catholic church doctrine, “It maintains that it is the “ONE, HOLY, CATHOLIC AND APOSTOLIC CHURCH FOUNDED BY JESUS CHRIST,… ALTHOUGH IT ALSO BELIEVES THAT THE HOLY SPIRIT CAN MAKE USE OF OTHER CHRISTIAN COMMUNITIES TO BRING PEOPLE TO SALVATION AND THAT IT IS CALLED TO WORK FOR UNITY AMONG CHRISTIANS.”
    Its a Catholic doctrine, right? but where in the Bible can u read that its the one and holy church founded by Christ? can u prove it? or its only a catholic dogma? anyone from here can clear this out?

  12. Quirino M. Sugon Jr says:

    Jun,

    Christians cannot be united when they differ in their fundamental beliefs or doctrines. There is no unity among Christians when we believe that Jesus is God while INC says He is not. There is no unity among Christians when we believe in the authority of the Pope as the Vicar of Christ and Successor of Peter, while the the other Christian communities do not. There is only unity among Christians when the prayer of Christ is fulfilled:

    “I pray not only for them, but also for those who will believe in me through their word, so that they may all be one, as you, Father, are in me and I in you, that they also may be in us, that the world may believe that you sent me.” (Jn 17:20-21)

    Unity of Christians only happens when there is “one flock, one shepherd” (Jn 10:16).

    Christ founded the Catholic Church on Peter the Rock:

    “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah. For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my heavenly Father. And so I say to you, you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church, 13 and the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it. I will give you the keys to the kingdom of heaven. 14 Whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.” (Mt 16:17-19)

    When one of the Apostles (Judas) died, the other apostles chose Matthias as his replacement. (Acts 1:24-26). When an Apostle leaves the place of his labor, he appoints his successor by the laying of hands, and these are the bishops, e.g. Timothy who was appointed by Paul. When the Apostles died, the naming of new bishops is done by the bishops. Timothy can also appoint his successor through the laying of hands. 1 Timothy is St. Paul’s description of a good bishop and one of the bishop’s powers is the laying of hands, i.e. ordination, for Paul said to him not to lay his hands readily on anyone. (1 Tim 5:22)

    One test of a true church is apostolic succession: is the leader of your church a legitimate successor of one of the apostles? If your leader cannot tell who ordained him and who ordained the person who ordained him and so on until we reach one of the apostles, then your church is not the true Church of Christ. For the Catholic Church, it is easy: Pope Benedict XVI is the 265th Successor of Peter.

    http://www.ourladyswarriors.org/articles/popelist.htm

    Can you produce a similar list for the leader of your church?

  13. Rich Alvarez says:

    Sore Losers, Catholics cannot accept that they will all go to the blazing furnace….

    Coward Catholics….Why don’t you go to central. They will accept your challenge and they will televise it so that the whole world will know who is saying blasphemy. Losers even before.

  14. Quirino M. Sugon Jr says:

    Mac “Rich Alvarez”,

    I shall call you Ric. One sign of cowardice is in not using one’s own name but another’s. Another sign of cowardice is INC not publishing its Pasugo online for the whole world to read. As Christ said:

    “You are the light of the world. A city set on a mountain cannot be hidden.Nor do they light a lamp and then put it under a bushel basket; it is set on a lampstand, where it gives light to all in the house.” (Mt 5:14-15)

  15. aLexjr says:

    i’ve heard natalo daw kayo sa samar!

  16. Nelson C. Vidal, Jr. says:

    debate sa inc central? maging fair naman kaya ang debate kapag ganun? paano kung maungusan ang inc?

    hindi kaya magkaroon ng batuhan?

    nagtatanong lang po!

  17. Nelson C. Vidal, Jr. says:

    dear readers/posters,

    i am very much interested to learn more about inc’s angel doctrine.

    if you know sites/discussions where inc defended this doctrine very well, please provide the link.

    thanks.

  18. julyarceno123 says:

    Hi po sakin po gusto nyu po ba na makipag debate sa pananampalataya ko at makipagkatwiranan sa akin ako ay member ng church of god ni bro Eliseo soriano…

  19. lorde says:

    We don’t need anymore to publish our Pasugo online. That’s why we have television doctrine, right? :)

  20. Quirino M. Sugon Jr says:

    Lorde,

    Pasugo in TV is only for those who watch TV. But if you put the text of the Paugo online, you can search it via Google. You cannot search audio files in Google. It is easy to make a website nowadays. WordPress is free. And I am sure the INC head office can hire the best web designers to write down all the truths officially taught by INC. In this way, we can see if through the years, INC changed its doctrine or not. If INC insists that the written Scripture (Bible) is the sole basis of truth, then INC members should also insist that the written doctrine should be the official teaching.

  21. kahit ano p ang sbhin ng iba,wlang mkktlo s inc s debate….isa lng ang aral,khit san panig kp ng mundo dumalo ng pg samba,isa lng ang aral…

  22. steven says:

    kung gaano kadalas ipagyabang ng mga alipores ng mga Manalo kung gaano cla karami, ganun din nman nila kadalas ipangalandakang panalo cla sa mga debate…

    remember: hanggang ngaun, ndi makapagpalabas ng opisyal na statistics ang CENTRAL kung gaano na cla “karami”
    tandaan ding, kpg nkikipagdebate ang mga ito ay cla dpt ang nagbibigay ng kondisyon, kung ndi, aba eh ndi ka talaga papatulan ng mga ito. gaya ng ngyari kay Karl Keating, dehado sya nung una dhl may mga taga-bukas ng bibliya at tagabulong ng sagot si Ventilacion.. isama pa yung malaking projector sa likod ng ministrong ito… smantalang si Keating ay nag-iisa… ngunit anong ngyari sa dulo. Butata c Ventilacion. ndi umubra yung mga pang-iipit at paninigaw nya sa matapang na Catholic Defender… lumitaw kung sino ang mas edukado at sibilisado pagdating sa pkikipagdebate…

  23. gilbert says:

    Readers, Alam nyo century ang lilipas but until this time pala pang madaling n pare muna s pins or from roma n dapat humarap sa maginuong debate sa iglesia ni cristo, ang Alam k nasa akin ang mahuhusay n graduate s mas kilalang paaralan at dalubhasa s theology why hanggang ngayon walAng gustong humarap alwAys parinig at sabe sabe ang naririnig k ever since before .kana lang mGkaruon n ng debate kc maraming chatholic ang nagtatanong taba b ang ating kinaaanibang religion sana kayong nakakabasa into ask our priest to depend.

  24. Mizrach says:

    Walang alam sa Biblia ang mga paring katoliko..ang alam lang nila ay makisawsaw sa pulitika,mula pa sa panahon ng mga kastila hanggang ngayon.magpayaman at mag pakasasa..s pera ng mga miembro nila..bilangin nyo mga pari na naka bisekleta lang..o d kaya naka motor(single)..halos wala.magbilang ka ng mga pari na naka suv..at iba pang mga mamahaling sasakyan..ang dami.kabaliktaran ng mga apostol at tunay na lingkod ng Dios,puor panlupa iniisip ng mga pari at obispo..kaya ayaw sa debate kc wala alam sa espiritual na bagay..panlupa madami..salamat sa mga parents ko ,nagpasya silang iwan ang katoliko..

  25. laycarmelite says:

    Wahaha. Kung walang alam sa Biblia ang mga paring Katoliko eh bakit ginagamit ng Iglesia ni Manalo ang Bibliang salin ng mga Katoliko.

  26. braveheart says:

    mga magaling at mattalino kayo ngunit bulag at bingi kayo… ang inc ng mula sa isa ngayon tingnan mo kung san na cila ngayon dumadami lumalago sa ibat ibang bansa.ung ibang reliheyon pabagsak at paunti na…kaci tunay ang inc para samattalino,,

  27. benmfwnt says:

    I don’t where exactly here in his blog, but I recall that Quirino M. Sugon is (somewhat like) demanding to all of us (visitors) to use English in our comments/replies. Thank you.

    And please respect others’s respective beliefs. If they do not believe in you or us, don’t insist. Avoid making conclusive comment/s with a negative ‘tag’ . . . Suk’ran.

  28. matalinong nagsusuri says:

    KAhit ano pa sabihin po ninyo,,, napatunayan na po sa pangyayari na isang mangangaral ng katoliko ay binago ang sitas ng Bibliya para palitawin na Catholic church name ay nasa Bible… WAg nang magtangatangahan… wag nang magtakip takipan… wag nang magbulagbulagan… wag nang ilihis ang isyu… NApatunayan na si Mr. Talibong ay nadaya…. Buti pa ung Catholic sa America na nakadebate kamakailan lang ng INC ay inamin na walang mababasa sa Bible na CAtholic… Ano ba yan? sa pangalan pa lang ng IGlesia… dinadaya na o nagkakakontrahan na (Talibong: nasa bible ang CAtholic… American Priest: walang Catholic na name sa Bible)… eh paano na lang kaya sa doktrina…. hindi na nga mababasa… salungat pa sa Bibliya..
    Dakdak kayo ng dakdak mga CATHOLIC FAITH DEFENDERS!

  29. Quirino M. Sugon Jr says:

    Matalinong Nagsusuri,

    You may like to write in English, so that more people can understand you. Thanks!

  30. eugene says:

    this supposed debate by the caholic defenders bacolod chapter is all hype..im from bacolod and my friend who is lawyer there used to host a live debate show on local tv..he invited me to face these catholic defenders on the proposition that peter is the fisrt pope..i never said that i will face tehm to represent the inc as a matter of fact i considered it an cademic exercise and got my godson, a baptist to join me in the negative side..what did these nagmamagaling na mga catholic defenders do announce to one and all that they will face an inc minister which i am not..they conducted the misinformation as these was not in the agreement we had..now who is afraid? they want it in the usls coz its a catholic school and they can flood it with all the usls students tobe the audience..where is fair there?

  31. katolikong pilipino says:

    kung last messenger of God si manalo edi bagsak na church nyo. deads na sya dba?

  32. katolikong pilipino says:

    tama si celeste. isa lang ang aral. pero hindi iglesia ni manalo yun. d nyo ba nakikita? ginawa kayong farm ng pera ng mga manalo. open your eyes. your so called religion is all based on a lie.

  33. Juan says:

    i went to solidaridad today but hey don’t have power and the glory of the cult of manalo… where can i buy this book? i’ll even go to baguio if they have it…

  34. ChangChiMIn says:

    if gusto nyo mag debate sa mga taga central. I guess you will leave with frustration and regrets with your ignorant decisions. If Jesus was God?
    Why is He praying to his Father? Was he praying to himself?! I am from local of Bacolod by the way. Hilado cor. F. Manalo st. to be exact.

  35. Quirino M. Sugon Jr says:

    Chang,

    You may like to post your comments in this forum which INC and Catholics read and debate with each other:

    https://monkshobbit.wordpress.com/2009/09/04/iglesia-ni-cristo-inc-logo-christian-or-masonic-symbol/

    It has already about 1,800 comments.

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